So that means that 60% of their revenue came from a dozen or so games vs hundreds if not over a thousand third party games. Like seriously list third party games that have sold over a million copies on Switch. There's Mincraft, Skyrim, Octopath Traveller... and that's it according to VGChartz. Now I know they don't count digital sales, but in honestly there can't be more than what? 6-8 games?

In all seriousness, the only growth I'm seeing in third party sales in the Switch is in small indie titles, and while that's a great thing, no one is going out and buying Switch to play Golf Story the same way they're buying a Switch to play Smash Bros.

But point is that some of those old ports in full handheld mode is game changer for some people.

Its not long list because Switch is still less than 2 years on market. Games like Fortnite, Diablo 3, Skyrim, CiV 6, Mortal Kombat 11 have great reply value, while FF games for instance are very long games. We are just at beginning of February, ofcourse that we probably don't know even 20% of Switch 3rd party games that will be released in 2019., in most cases 3rd party games for Switch were announced around 3 months before launch. Offcourse that not single 3rd party game can move consoles like biggest Nintendo IPs can, but point is that Switch is getting some great and diverse 3rd party games (despite good part of them are old ports), and that Switch 3rd party support is incrasing in any case.

I very clearly compared announced Switch games for 2019. and games that were announced in same period for 2018. and that comparison clearly shows that in same time period 2019. lineup of announced games was around 3-4x stronger than was in same period for 2018. And, yes that list clearly also shows increasing 3rd party support. Thats lists clearly show that 2019. has much more announced games (including 3rd party) than 2018. had in same time period, and that was my point, but you can twist that whatever you want.

Who are these "some people" that this is a "game changer" for? If those "some people" are "people who already own a Nintendo Switch" then it really doesn't matter is it.

It's not a long list because it's a Nintendo console that doesn't have very good third party support. You can look at these handful of titles, most of which haven't sold amazing, and old ports and think "this is great third party support", but I don't, and more importantly, I don't think a potential Switch buyer looks at games like Fortnite, Diablo 3, Skyrim, etc come out for Switch, and if they're not already inclined to buy one, they're not going to buy one now for the likes of MK 11. Sure, maybe there will be a bunch more old ports coming out of the wood work and appearing on Switch because it can't be that expensive to do so, but I don't think if say, EA announces the Mass Effect trilogy, or Dragon's Age: Inquisition for the Switch I don't think that's going to make a measurable impact in Switch sales for the year.

As for your lists, I have to take your word that those lists are accurate. Based on your track record, I'm not willing to do that. But even assuming it's true, I just don't think there are millions of prospective buyers that looks at that list and thinks "with that upcoming games list, my mind is made up. I'm buying a Switch". Again, by all means, if you believe that's a convincing games list to you to say "the Switch has great third party support", "or, look at all of these old ports and indies! Switch third party support is increasing!", that's fine. But that's not increasing in a way I think matters,  and I can pretty much guarantee it doesn't matter your average prospective Switch buyer either because the Switch isn't competing against the PS3 and Xbox 360, is it?

Those are kind of people that had some interest in Switch and some of those games push them to buy Switch, I saw plenty of people were exited for portable Dark Souls or especially for full handheld Diablo 3.

I dont saying its great 3rd party support, but it is good 3rd party support for Nintendo platform and that 3rd party support is incrasing, number of annouced games proves that. 3rd party games for Switch are not crucial and main thing for Nintendo platform like they are for Sony/MS consoles, but those 3rd party games makes Switch more apealing and diverse.

Based on my track record? What hell that should mean? If you want you can easily check evry game listed from that thread. Only people on gaming forums making and look at lists, average buyers look at games that will be soon released or that games that are already available. Point of that list is proof that 3rd party support for Switch is incrasing in any case, and that was my point.

For instance, this are just currently confirmed 3rd party games (not counting Indies) for April release alone:

-Mortal Kombat 11
-Dragon Ball Heroes
-Final Fantasy X/X-2
-Final Fantasy XII
-Dragon’s Dogma
-Darksiders Warmastered Edition

You can say those are almost all old 3rd party ports, but thats great 3rd party support for Nintendo system, that makes Switch more apealing and Switch lineup more diverse in any case. Also that list is much stronger compared to what we had in same period of last year.

You're still making an overall quantity argument. It doesn't really matter if there was 150 indie games that came out on the Switch that sold less than 500K each and now this year there are 200. If you want to get all technical and say "see the number is higher, therefore support is increasing", then that's fine, but it doesn't mean anything to me. What I'm looking for is an increase quantity of titles that actually push people to buy a console. Those numbers don't appear to be increasing.

"Excited for Dark Souls" doesn't mean "I don't have a Switch and I'm willing to buy one because it has portable Dark Souls". You might not have any issue equating the two, but they're not the same at all. And if third party titles aren't crucial for Nintendo, then Nintendo is going to have difficulty going, as their lineup for this year is looking rather sparse. That's why it's important to have system-selling third party support - to sell systems when your system-selling first party support is in development. Like Kingdom Hearts 3. I bet that pushed some consoles, especially in Japan.  Do you think a port of a PS2 game that was then remastered and Ported to PS4 last year is going to have that same impact? Because I don't.

As for that April lists - six games, four of which are old ports. You're proving my point man. That fact that this list is "much stronger than last year" doesn't mean the Switch has "good third party support" it means it's better than the terrible state it was in last year. Wake me up when the Switch gets a third party game that actually moves consoles that isn't a port. Until then we can stick a fork in this conversation - it's done.

I was talking about general 3rd party support, not only about system seller games, but yes we will get more games like ones I mentioned (bigger, stronger games that makes Switch lineup more diverse and apealing).

Thats not what I said, I was very clear, again, you have people that had some interest in Switch and some of those games push them to buy Switch, Dark Souls and espacily Diablo 3 are very good examples. But fact is that 3rd party games are not crucial for Nintendo, sales of Switch proves that, espacily in 1st year of Switch where you had only only few 3rd party games. Actualy, this year just from currently confirmed Nintendo games and exclusives look stronger than 2018. was, and offcourse we will have more announcements that will be part of 2019. lineup because we are at beggining of February.

Again, I was very clear, "I dont saying its great 3rd party support, but it is good 3rd party support for Nintendo platform and that 3rd party support is incrasing". Now you keep moving your goal post, remember, I reply you because you wrote that 3rd party is not incrasing, and thats clearly not true.

I was talking about the meaningful third party support. Do you realize how many hundreds of third party games the Wii had made for it that was called "shovelware"? The Wii had poor third party support despite all that shovelware. So for all practical purposes its about quantity of quality titles. That's what I'm focusing on. It doesn't matter if the Switch has two dozen first party games coming out every month it doesn't actually make the platform more attractive to the average prospective buyer in a meaningful way.

You still don't seem to get that Dask Souls and Diablo 3 are two third party games in two years that you keep bringing up as "great system selling games" when the fans of those games have been able to play those games on multiple platforms, multiple times for years and years, because again, they're are ports of games that are several years old. Look I get that as a Nintendo fan, if you do the vast majority of your gaming on a Nintendo platform,  this might be a bigger deal to you because you haven't actually had the opportunity to play these games before.  But you need to understand that Nintendo fans that only game on Nintendo hardware are the only people that haven't had access to these games for years. SO again, the fact that you bring these titles ups is indication that third party support on the Switch actually isn't all that good. Last's years third party support was poor at best. This years third party support from announced titles is still poor but slightly less poor. Let me put it to you this way - going from a 30% grade in course to a 40% is an improvement, but it's still a failing grade.

See that's the difference between me and you. You're holding Nintendo to a different standard. It has solid third party support "for Nintendo", but for any other platform, it would widely be considered poor. The vita is a prime example of this - it's third party support is actually kinda similar to the Switch, yet it was vastly panned as having little meaningful third party support, as most of it's third party titles catered to niche audiences that weren't expected to sell that high. Yet, here you are giving Nintendo a free pass, and pretending that because the Switch is getting better third party support than Nintendo systems have for years, it's going to lead to more Switch sales, when in actual fact the gap is still so large that the Switch's third party support is still a factor attracting people to platforms other than the Switch. It's simply not good enough if Nintendo wants to keep its sales momentum while it's first party studios work on their next batch of titles, and to be frank, it's not even really close to being enough.

Not that much.

And your whole point about how "old ports aren't good 3rd party presence on Switch" is wrong. Yeah, Fallout 76 isn't on the Switch but Diablo III is. Guess which one gamers wants to play more.

What are the odds it pushed more than Dark Souls and Diablo 3 did combined?

>that moment when you don't know that RE2 and Kingdom Hearts 3 actually pushed very little consoles in Japan and then use KH3 as a talking point for pushing Japanese console sales

To be fair I guess, it probably would have much earlier in PS4's life ... console's just dying