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Peh said:

Regarding crossplay, it's certainly a nice features for those who own both, and Xbox and PC. I don't know about the port quality of many games there, but FH3 took about 7 month to be fixed for PC. It was a disaster at release. FH4 was far better.

Crossplay is ultimately irrelevant... As Windows Store games don't have any real meaningful multiplayer populations anyway.

Peh said:

Screwing their customers by pulling their game two weeks before release over to another store and locking it there for a whole year, on a launcher that has bad security, lack of many featured like cloud saves, forums, reviews and plenty more is a rather bigger "Oh no".

It's not about caring about a game. It's more about giving a shit about your customers. All the people who preordered the physical version of the game were promised to get the Steam version, now it comes only with an Epic Store key. That's called backstabbing. 

Competition is a good thing, no one argues about that as long as the costumer takes the advantage of it. But in this case? No. Where is the advantage in all of this? Epic's aggressive tactics are only going against the customer. 

At the end of the day... The general consensus from gamers is that Gog.com is fantastic, Steam is fantastic.
Origin is "Meh". - uPlay is terrible, Epic Store is terrible... The Blizzard app is does the job for Blizzard titles... But is pretty meh also.

These companies need to really take a long hard look at why people love Gog and Steam... And it's not because of exclusivity bullshit either. (Which shouldn't happen on PC period.)



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Kerotan said:

Mate I've no interest in toaster MAU but even if I did I wouldn't ask you as its none of my business.

 

I am aware of STEAMs tiered system she frankly it should be the other way around. The devs who need the extra revenue the most are those who make under 10m. Regardless STEAM will be forced to offer a better rate sooner or later. Just you wait and see. 

Because I wouldn't mind someone asking me proof, you know, like asking someone who claims to be a doctor for proof. Absolutely nothing wrong with asking for someone to validate what they talk about.

Frankly it's working so far, and I'd love to see all the other clients and consoles following suit. Devs have to pay just to patch their games on consoles and to certify, where the hell is Sony/MS/Nintendo in paying them instead?. 

You defend the wrong companies for the worst reasons, you know that right?. 



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
flashfire926 said:
Man, gamers act so entitled sometimes...

You know, kerotan is actually right on this one. This is how it's gonna be from now on. More storefronts giving competition to Steam, with the monopoly it had no longer remaining.

I think you missed the point. The people who are upset in this thread are upset for pretty valid reasons. No one (at least not that I've read) is complaining about Steam getting competition. What's being complained about is the way in which a platform like the Epic Game Store is doing it. Any time someone wants to make a point in favor of Epic Game Store they inevitably bring up that Steam is a "monopoly", because no one would dare argue in favor of a monopoly. But really, for a company which has had a stranglehold on PC gaming for a long time now, it's pretty incredible how in-favor of consumers Steam has been with it's storefront. They may not have rates as good as the Epic Game Store, but the reality is that consumers fight for their interests in the same way publishers and developers do. They will always pick the choices which they think are best for them, and that's not being "entitled". There's nothing entitled about being upset when a company takes a game away from a storefront two weeks before it launches and makes it exclusive to another storefront that doesn't even let you play offline without having to modify a game's files. 

Someone who actually understands the situation, without having to resort to calling the opposite group "entitled" all the time. It really does help in discussions to not call the opposite group, the ones who are suffering frustrations, as "entitled", it really does go a long way. 

I wouldn't have minded if Epic had all the same features Steam had, as well as developing their own games, rather than dropping them for one billion dollar micro transaction pumping game. I'd be all for them if they didn't resort to buying up games and locking them to their storefront. I'd be all for them if they even took GoG's approach, you know, that all PC gamers aspire other clients to follow suit.

The thing that some forget is, is that Steam isn't a monopoly, having a monopoly means having the vast majority of the market locked tight, but Steam doesn't even have that, since we've got games on:

Itch

Discord

Epic

Uplay

Origin

Battle.net

Bethesda.net

GoG

Win 10 store

And Steam itself, which makes for a total of 10 stores. You could even try counting in Humble bundle, which sells keys from said stores, but that's besides the point. The major thing I've noticed over the years, from those who are harsh on Steam, seemingly forget that all those other storefronts hardly ever bother with their own games, enticing users to use their clients more often, giving devs their own 88% cut (consoles included). Instead we're met with "you're entitled/All those features don't matter/Those stores were built years ago, but they'll come around eventually, just you wait and see". All of those latter reasons do is make for both poor arguments and a major faulty and arrogant misunderstanding of what the people going against Epic are talking about. 

The people that misunderstand all of this on purpose, and then follow up with condemning those who vent frustration, are actually the ones entirely in the wrong here, because they refuse to understand the situation, go onward to belittle those voicing said frustration and then calling their issues as "non issues", which doubly doesn't help anyone, but show us that the group not having the issues as being childish and arrogant. Those that understand and see what's going on, but don't throw away wisdom and logic are perfectly fine and decent people. 

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Pemalite said: 
Peh said:

Screwing their customers by pulling their game two weeks before release over to another store and locking it there for a whole year, on a launcher that has bad security, lack of many featured like cloud saves, forums, reviews and plenty more is a rather bigger "Oh no".

It's not about caring about a game. It's more about giving a shit about your customers. All the people who preordered the physical version of the game were promised to get the Steam version, now it comes only with an Epic Store key. That's called backstabbing. 

Competition is a good thing, no one argues about that as long as the costumer takes the advantage of it. But in this case? No. Where is the advantage in all of this? Epic's aggressive tactics are only going against the customer. 

At the end of the day... The general consensus from gamers is that Gog.com is fantastic, Steam is fantastic.
Origin is "Meh". - uPlay is terrible, Epic Store is terrible... The Blizzard app is does the job for Blizzard titles... But is pretty meh also.

These companies need to really take a long hard look at why people love Gog and Steam... And it's not because of exclusivity bullshit either. (Which shouldn't happen on PC period.)

I think some users here (Even supposed "veteran" Steam users) need to look at why people love both GoG and Steam, rather than tossing out faulty logic.



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Chazore said:

You've said it before and no, I'm not "kidding" myself. It still hasn't brought on the features that Steam has had going for itself over the years, it still shows all the mobiles games, that I cannot perma filter that Steam still offers. Why does it even have Candy crush on there anyway, when Steam itself doesn't?.  

Lets wait and see what MS do next gen with the platform, features will come but I think atm there focus is on there console division. And lets not compare Mobile games on Live compared to broken half finished games on Steam.. Its a sad state atm for Steam and that there Greenlit program has become utter trash to me. I have found some good gems out of the 1000 trash games that Valve let in yearly.

It also shows off what's been trending with friends, as well as giving me the list of special offers up front, not to one side, with one game having a special offer like SoT. Steam at least separates their software side in a totally different tick list entirely, but on Win 10 store, all software, be it mobile, games or anything else, is seemingly shoved in your face with varying box sizes, almost like it's treated like a phone store, let alone a Windows 8 store (which is the OS they've chosen to ignore since 10, tiles and all). Nothing from their storefront screams "designed for PC gamers in mind" at all.

Win10 is not suppose to be an open App like Steam or GoG, its a closed format for PCs, basically a Console in your PC, and they have to do that because they have to control there IPs and there audiences or they will end up with lawsuits out the ass. They have a quality of assurance they have to live up to for there customers. Steam is known to have hackers and yes other platforms do as well, but Steam takes the cake here, You know what Nintendo and Sony do with there platforms, they control it to reduce the affects.  

Steam is awesome when it comes to those features, I am not disagreeing on that part, however the Tile system that MS uses is a based on your preference, I don't mind it so it doesn't bother me.

I understand you play games for the features that Steam offers, guess what, not everyone wants that, there are many gamers like myself who just want to use Steam to play there games without the mods and hacks and everything else.

When is Gears 2-3 going to be released on PC might I ask, and when will MS go about fixing QB and Gears Remastered on PC?. I don't care if it works on your rig, it doesn't work on mine or other people's PC's, as I had to find out, because you know, Win 10 store doesn't come with built in user reviews, let alone a forum to find out how to sort out the game's issues, but that's totally fine to excuse isn't it?. 

Guess what, I have heaps of Issues where games don't work on Steam for me, games crashing and are full of bugs are not exclusive to the Win10 Store. Also Gears Ultimate has the entire collection in it, maybe it might cross over once next gen starts, who knows.

Diligaf with your "it's non debatable, I win hands down" bullcrap, that's not how it works at all mate. |YOu deliver non stop and never trip up at all, not when you've got an insanely large company and cheque book to match.

That fact you choose not to accept is that everything over time improves just like how Steam has improved over the decades its been on the market. It did not happen over night, than again I wouldn't know if you knew that because for all I know, you only jumped on Steam a couple years ago. Hence why I asked the question how long you been using Steam. But you gave no answer so it must not be a proud answer to give.

It hasn't improved over time, because gamers like myself have been pointing this out, as well as waiting for 4+ sodding years, while people like you needlessly defend it to the death, while using ad-hominem arguments, as well as mirror ones, attacking the other storefront, to negate any criticism thrown at the one being questioned (calling it right the hell now). Sotes like PC gamer have also pointed this out:

Its a known fact Valve hasn't done much lately aside from sitting on there throne soaking in the money, so at least I am willing to admit that Valve has become lazy and un-motivated, and Valve is in my top 3 companies of all time. I love them and they use to be my number 1. But with the lack of support for there own IPs I had no choice but to drop them down. So maybe its you needlessly defending a company to death, even when the proof is right in your face.

Two years ago they promised, and nothing came of it. It's about the store, not the Xbox designed games.

The Store isn't perfect but it can play games and it can play a huge library of games not available anywhere else.

Asking me how long I've used Steam for, from a profile that's kept private, you're asking me this?, or are you asking me this top pull the oh so obvious "no you're the fake one"?.

That says a lot about you already. 

I've had my own experience with Steam and other clients over the years, with GoG being my go to for what the title says on the tin (shouldn't need explaining as to what the name spells out), with Steam being my place for the majority of games, Battle.net for WoW and Warcraft/Heroes of the Storm (All of them always online based, which very much sucks compared to the games I can play on Steam, both in offline mode for games and client), as well as Origin for Battlefield, but now that client sees far less use due to the dead games being sold on that storefront, as well as EA denying to adhere to Belgium's laws, as well as my Island's, a case which they have recently lost I might add.

The lack of quality control has been changed up over the years, thanks to the advent of the discovery queue and of course, the ability to flat out block games from being seen again and to top it all off, being able to block entire genres from popping up, something which no other storefront allows for. See, I know what your kind scream, you want "curation", but what is shit to you can be good to someone else, so you would rather say "nah, fuck what you think" and instead have their games blocked from being sold onto the storefront, simply because you think your way is superior for everyone else. Curation itself is entirely a subjective one, and one that can never be objective, because one man's trash, is another man's treasure. 

Other Storefronts don't need to block games because that's part of there already existing QA teams, something Valve wasn't doing well for the past few years. Its not about "Fuck what you think" its about "Stop allowing trashy games to your customers" Having control is not always a bad thing. Just look at Nintendo and what they have done for the industry.

Valve are still making games like I've said before, just not ones *you* want, and that's fine, because guess what?, Ubisoft doesn't make games I want and I have to live with that on a daily basis, so why shouldn't you?. Valve are making VR games for those who want VR experiences, something which OR and PSVR are doing, so why can't Valve dabble with VR?. Valve also have their own card game, just like Blizzard does, as well as CDP with Gwent, why can't Valve have one of their own?. Blizzard came late to the game with their Moba, why can't Valve have their own?. MS are clearly late to the XCOM game, why can't MS have their own tactics game?. Please tell me why, and answer me directly without changing the subject, I want actual answer to these questions properly. 

I am looking forward to Black Mesa Xen (Ironically not made by Valve themselves) and there future VR projects, all companies can make what ever type of games they want, difference is that MS  and others actually still make AAA games while still making A to AA games. Valve haven't released a AAA game since god knows when.

it doesn't matter if you don't care for those features, that doesn't make them suddenly non important for everyone else. Me and plenty of others out there value those features, because they are something that both give us more value, more options and more reasons to keep using Steam, you know, to actually make you want to use the client. Modding has been a thing for PC gaming for decades, so it's something PC gamers cherish, and that's something I want to see across all other clients, yet said clients refuse to support something that's a common staple on PC. Hell, people are already modding Resi 2 with different character models already and that's honestly amazing to see.

I can argue that not everyone wants all those features and are just happy to have the convivence of playing there console games on there PC without buying a console. Features are useless if you don't have the games to use them on. Example -  Gears 4 doesn't offer mod support or any of Steams features, but you know what, at least you can actually play Gears 4 on Win10 Store, better than not playing it at all. That goes with all future Xbox/PC releases.

Valve clearly don't offer you games you want, just like Ubisoft don't offer me both features and games I want, instead they treat me like a pirate, despite me not being one, by shoving layers upon layers of DRM to their client and forcing you to use it by default, even if you purchase from other clients as well. The difference is, one of those companies has some sense of decency and dignity, the other flat out doesn't care and was scared of losing it's head to another French company (fancy that, both french companies had families that were against each other, who would have thought..) a few years back (That's what you get for being publicly traded).

I don't mind if Valve bring out smaller titles, but as a frustrated Valve fan, I want something big from them and I am happy to wait as long as its pure Valve quality. But Valve needs to get in contact with there customers and tell us instead of remaining silent all these years giving us the belief they gave up making games.

Epic is being anti-consumer as of late, but to you, you don't care about it at all, all you care about is seeing something burn, because it didn't make you a new game. You would rather something that provides options and features be burned to ash, because it didn't craft a game specifically for you. You would rather a company backed by a Chinese one (which shares user data I might add, and steals other people's likeness for their games without permission) just up and take all the games away from everyone else, leaving us with far less options to choose from, and simply be forced into something else.

Exclusives are bad for consumers, but there smart for businesses, in the PC space it doesn't affect me as much as it affects you because I am at least happy I can play the game on my rig instead of buying a another platform just to play a game. I didnt want to buy a PlayStation or a Switch, hence why PSNow would work wonders for me. It offers access.

You don't like PC gaming at all, you just want it to be a mirror of console gaming. Locking games to stores is anti competitive and anti-consumer. 

Hmm, you sound desperate there. Lets say this, I would pick PC gaming over any form of console gaming if I had to choose, thank the lords I am finically stable to have a few more options in my house. I think you just hate the fact I actually enjoy MS games.

I'd honestly wish your kind out of PC gaming tbh, because you'd rather see what I cherish to burn, and for that I loathe you. 

Sounding even more desperate with that one. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Now all that took awhile for me to response to as well I have been busy at work but I hope I gave you the answers you called for.

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CGI-Quality said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Oh no, installing and and making an account another store?! That's truly terrible. 

It may be just because I don't care about this game. But I have a steam account and not an Epic account. Look, I get it, it would it be annoying to do those 5 minutes of work to download and buy a game I wanted? But does that mean I'm gonna through a tantrum (not referring to you, just the internet in general) about it for a year and not play a game I actually want to play? You gotta be crazy. 

This issue for most is the timing, on top of a lousy and bare bones storefront. But the former is the biggest problem with this situation. Many people have legit complaints about it, rather than just audible 'tantrums' on a forum.

That said, yes, a select few will use this as a platform to bitch, but the size of the complaints state that this is a larger problem than typical internet moaning, one that I certainly hope to not see repeated.

This could be down to my own priorities. I don't use any of steams extra features. I use it to download and play games. 

AngryLittleAlchemist said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Oh no, installing and and making an account another store?! That's truly terrible. 

It may be just because I don't care about this game. But I have a steam account and not an Epic account. Look, I get it, it would it be annoying to do those 5 minutes of work to download and buy a game I wanted? But does that mean I'm gonna through a tantrum (not referring to you, just the internet in general) about it for a year and not play a game I actually want to play? You gotta be crazy. 

From my understanding you can't even play games offline with the Epic Game Store (although you might be able to jump through some hoops to do it). In fact Epic Games Store doesn't even have it's own forum system, so players have to go on Steam to ask questions about their version of the game, which is very detrimental if they have problems that need fixing. Steam is also consistently lower priced than most stores. 

The arguments for Epic Games Store are basically 1 ) It's not a big deal and 2 ) Epic is being pro-consumer by giving Steam competition, even though they're using anti-consumer practices in the proccess. Both arguments are obviously flawed. But yeah .. there is some exaggeration perhaps, that's just how people interpret things differently though. 

If you can't play Epic downloaded games offline then that is a big issue. I haven't seen anything to confirm this only people having issues with Subnautica but if it's a system wide thing then that's shit. 



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Chazore said:
Kerotan said:

Mate I've no interest in toaster MAU but even if I did I wouldn't ask you as its none of my business.

 

I am aware of STEAMs tiered system she frankly it should be the other way around. The devs who need the extra revenue the most are those who make under 10m. Regardless STEAM will be forced to offer a better rate sooner or later. Just you wait and see. 

Because I wouldn't mind someone asking me proof, you know, like asking someone who claims to be a doctor for proof. Absolutely nothing wrong with asking for someone to validate what they talk about.

Frankly it's working so far, and I'd love to see all the other clients and consoles following suit. Devs have to pay just to patch their games on consoles and to certify, where the hell is Sony/MS/Nintendo in paying them instead?. 

You defend the wrong companies for the worst reasons, you know that right?. 

Apples and oranges. MS, NINTY and SONY make the consoles mate that the games sell on. They are more entitled to a 30% cut on digital. And they only get a 12% cut at retail so overall they're getting far less then 30%. 



My opinion: they are going to make more money. Oh, well, but what about fans? Happy that people who have preordered the game on Steam will get it. Unfortunately, I am not among them. Maybe, I'll just watch a walkthrough now. Not a mega fan of the series, so I won't lose anything.



 

Kerotan said: 

Apples and oranges. MS, NINTY and SONY make the consoles mate that the games sell on. They are more entitled to a 30% cut on digital. And they only get a 12% cut at retail so overall they're getting far less then 30%. 

Not apples and oranges mate. Big difference between just keeping crap secret, and wanting to show proof of something. Someone claims they are a doctor in the street?, they need to prove it, words do so little in this world these days. Actions speak louder than words. 

They don't deserve to ask for the same cut Valve does, and trying to excuse it is being selective. If Valve has to lower to Epics cut, then so does everyone else. 



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Azzanation said:

Lets wait and see what MS do next gen with the platform, features will come but I think atm there focus is on there console division. And lets not compare Mobile games on Live compared to broken half finished games on Steam.. Its a sad state atm for Steam and that there Greenlit program has become utter trash to me. I have found some good gems out of the 1000 trash games that Valve let in yearly.

We've been waiting for 4+ years now mate. People are getting fed up with waiting years more for a store to catch up with Steam, that could easily be done within a single year, with all the power and money and people MS can muster. Pulling "wait and see" is only being said till what you see comes to fruition, rather than what should be done here and now that might not even come (hasn't for 4+ years so far). Meanwhile, Valve has managed to give us tools over these 4+ years and some slight revamps over that time-frame.

Their focus shouldn't be on the console division alone. Time and time again, each gen they start off with "we won't forget about you PC folks", to which they then slap us with some odd form of DRM, a few late and busted console ports, then calling it a day, waiting for their console to rise again, then forget we existed until they fall back down, and then it suits them to come back to PC gamers (like this gen for a prime example). 

Yes, let's compare games that are sold on both storefronts, since some here like to cite Steam's offerings on the store as "trash", I feel it's only fair to do the same for the win 10 store, even the Switch is doing this now with it's flood-gates wide open. Stop trying to go "nah, don't compare, let MS stand on it's merits, but also pulling "man, Steam is so shit and in a bad place". because it's coming off as blatant trolling and not taking the matter of discussion seriously. Before ea there was greenlight, and people actually preferred greenlight over ea and I find myself agreeing with them. It might be trash to you, but it clearly isn't to others wanting it back, vs indie devs launching their games in busted states and asking for dosh for years to come. 

I find the games I want from Steam via the toolset that is made available before me. I've been able to refine what shows up on the storefront for me, but I absolutely cannot say 00% the exact same for the Win 10 store, and someone else within this forum already has their own issues, issues which you have fobbed off, as per usual. 

It's not supposed to be a console in a PC. PC gamers don't want their experience consolised and neither do I. It's closed in the way that you cannot do much if anything with it besides browsing and buying, but not having what Steam has doesn't make it better, it makes it lacking and inferior. They don't have to "control" the IP's in that manner, when they could simply make a storefront like Steam's, while also allowing for crossplay across multiple storefronts and supporting different API's, rather than being closed off and non supportive. They wouldn't end up with lawsuits out the ass for simply selling their games on a fully functional storefront like Steam/GoG and the rest.

Their QoA is clearly lacking, because Gears remastered and QB are a prime example of lacking QoA, that those games to this date are still borked, and no, blaming high end hardware like mine doesn't erase the fact that they just fucked up those ports. Other platforms like Nintendo with Splatoon 1-2 have been known for having hackers, as well as other console based games and games on even the likes of Origin, so no, hackers aren't just related and only found on Steam. Stop pulling this petulant tripe with "but it has more, this my argument eliminates your point". It's both childish and arrogant, and presents the backfire effect in motion. 

The tile system isn't superior, if that's what you're getting at, and it shouldn't even be like that to begin with. All the other clients have managed not to reproduce what MS has twice now, so that's on MS, not everyone else to sort out. 

I play games for multiple reasons, features available to me are one of them. I value being able to take screens, then upload them to both my profile gallery and the game's user gallery for all to see when they look at the video game's screenshot gallery when purchasing the game. I love being able to use the built in forums, to look for interesting information, or being able to talk and discuss with multiple groups, all within the same client at the same time. The newly updated chat feature has had a nice rework, that now shows me what everyone is playing in a grouped mode, and even showing for multiple parties and people within them while playing said game, especially with where they are up to in a game. I don't get any of that on Win 10 store/any other client. I just get "is playing RB6S" and nothing more.

Guess what?, not everyone is like you, and thank god there are more people out there who love and make use of these features, that they would argue and fight to have the, rather than pulling a childish "no one needs them since I don't need them, stop needing them!".

There are people who love modding, who basically game to mod and that's a wonderful thing, diligaf if you don't care for that, you've no say to stop these people from wanting something and you shan't influence taking anything from them either.

Guess what?. You didn't answer my question as usual, all you did was just toss Steam in as a mirror retort, as you always do. You cannot answer for what MS screws up, instead you throw someone else under the bus. 

"it might cross over", hows about this year, and not a few years afterward, with PC being yet another afterthought perhaps?. At least Valve is making games for PC gamers first, with MS going "eh maybe later" mentality for certain high profile titles. 

It's not even a "fact" to accept. It's that you seemingly do not know how SWOT's or R&D work for that matter. You seem to lack a core understanding of studying your competition and capitalizing on their weaknesses as well as strengths. You seem to just blindly go with "give it time, it will objectively be better". We are not waiting another 5+ years for one store to catch up to what a store spent a decade all on it's own crafting what everyone else can simply take for nothing and not have to put much effort into what was once crafted years ago.

Do you think, because the first tyre was invented, that people could not learn from it and simply improve upon it each time, while also getting better and quicker at making said refinements?. I didn't jump on Steam a "couple of years ago". I've been with Steam since the old days myself, with a friend having introduced it to me from our first year into college. 

I wouldn't be basing the length of spending time on an object as something to be "proud" of, more likely what you describe is called "arrogance" and yes, it is becoming of you at this point.

Its a known fact Valve hasn't done much lately aside from sitting on there throne soaking in the money, so at least I am willing to admit that Valve has become lazy and un-motivated, and Valve is in my top 3 companies of all time. I love them and they use to be my number 1. But with the lack of support for there own IPs I had no choice but to drop them down. So maybe its you needlessly defending a company to death, even when the proof is right in your face.

It's not really a known fact at all, here , allow me to educate you:

https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410#announcements/detail/1696055855739350561

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/08/22/valve-changes-everything-windows-exclusive-games-now-run-on-steam-for-linux/#38a0b39e3fa9

https://techraptor.net/content/steam-reveals-2018-year-in-review

Steam has still been working for Linux gamers, as well as introducing their new game Artifact, while also still working on multiple VR projects of their own. They are still currently working on their store redesign. They've also decided to jump into the BR craze with their CSGO BR mode. They've purchased and partnered with Campo Santo, so they'll be allowing them to work on something, which of course takes time, like every other game does (since we're giving MS acquired studios time to dev too right?, only fair if you want to call time spent as laziness).

Valve are still working, if anything they've been working constantly over the past few years, just not in the way *you* want them to, which thank god isn't done your way, because it would be horrible if we allowed you to run Steam the way you think it should run. I don't want a consolized shitty storefront with a tile interface and shooty shooty mcbang games. 

Valve clearly weren't your number 1, if all you do is talk trash about them the whole time, while excusing MS. People show compassion and love for the things they like. They can be critical about the things they love, but you've just been critical the entire time, but tossing in "I love", but not showing what that love is truly about. it sounds and feels utterly fake and non-genuine. 

You display exactly what is known as the backfire effect, where in the face of any evidence, you'll still argue against it. And I've seen you time and time again, taking my words and going "well you are more than me", and it honestly does piss me off, but you know what happens, you know exactly what happens when it reaches that point, so don't go for that point, because you know it doesn't go anywhere pleasant. If you want it to go that way, I can talk to a mod, because I've had talks about this before. If you want to just copy+paste my words and throw them back at me with mirror retorts, yes we can talk to a mod about that this weekend, for sure, if that's what you plan to do.

The Store isn't perfect but it can play games and it can play a huge library of games not available anywhere else.

That isn't a good enough reason to deflect 4 years worth of negligence. That is just a fact you will have to accept. They have neglected the storefront for 4+ years and they know this. They recently admitted to this and I linked it to you before, but you simply threw that away, as usual.

That says a lot about you already. 

It says a metric ton about you sadly. Basing time spent as if it were "wisdom", when a server lack of wisdom is then displayed from the person claiming to be there since day 1. 

Other Storefronts don't need to block games because that's part of there already existing QA teams, something Valve wasn't doing well for the past few years. Its not about "Fuck what you think" its about "Stop allowing trashy games to your customers" Having control is not always a bad thing. Just look at Nintendo and what they have done for the industry.

Except said "QA" has shown to being faulty beforehand, on multiple accounts, across different storefronts, Origin Included. Even Switch's storefront is getting tons of games per day, that they know they need tools in order for users to find what they want when they want. Having tools does not make you inferior, it doesn't make you lesser. Trying to excuse the need for any kind of option, feature or tool is however a sign of weakness.

Clearly other storefront QA's haven't done a good job, since QB and Gears remaster run like garbage on multiple hw configs, as well as one of GoG's "curators" having banned a puzzle game, from a well known puzzle dev, based on the notion of "it looked like a mobile game", which earned them ire and backlash. 

It should be about "play the games you want to play", not "play the games I want you to play" which is exactly what you are demanding Valve do with their storefront. Do not tell me for an instant on what I can/cannot play. I play what I want to play, and I've no interest in stopping you from playing what you want to play on any storefront.

Having tools is not always bad, having subjective curation from a higher authority is. Allowing yourself to choose what you like is better than being told what to like from a select few. 

Yeah, look at Nintendo and how they opened the Switch floodgates, now they have mobile games on there, as well as the ones you dislike on Steam being there too, only on Switch you cannot block them from sight. Also, let's not forget Sony and the "life of Black Tiger", amazing curation right there.

I am looking forward to Black Mesa Xen (Ironically not made by Valve themselves) and there future VR projects, all companies can make what ever type of games they want, difference is that MS  and others actually still make AAA games while still making A to AA games. Valve haven't released a AAA game since god knows when.

That's great then, you should have fun with the obviously modded game, to which you clearly stated you had zero interest in modding before. I too will be looking forward to seeing what sorts of VR games they have in store for us. Though I do not have a VR headset as of late, that isn't going to stop me from buying on in the future to try out said games. 

The difference for me is that Valve makes games they want to make, not games to spam constantly and market to the same exact crowd over and over again. They've made games for the FPS crowd, the competitive PVP ones, the Moba, the card games and now the VR crowd, all while offering something unique along the line. AAA games these days are hardly AAA in terms of asset quality, let alone what is contained within said worlds. if anything, AAA's are more bulk in marketing than production quality. Why do Valve need to release one all the time?. Console players have this weird mentality where you need to churn something out asap and in the same volume. It's been years since we last had a new Armored Core game. I'd love another 1-2, but not another 5-10 Armored Core games in a row, al la Assassins Creed/CoD/Forza style, because that model shows a watering down effect and can become stale within a short period of time. 

I can argue that not everyone wants all those features and are just happy to have the convivence of playing there console games on there PC without buying a console. Features are useless if you don't have the games to use them on. Example -  Gears 4 doesn't offer mod support or any of Steams features, but you know what, at least you can actually play Gears 4 on Win10 Store, better than not playing it at all. That goes with all future Xbox/PC releases.

And I can argue that plenty do want those features. Just because Group A doesn't like said features, does not in any way mean that those features are factually useless for people in Group B and that said features shouldn't count for anything or cease to exist. It just means your group doesn't like them, but shouldn't be discounted from being brought up. It only means your group doesn't like them, and nothing more goes beyond "imo" than that. 

See, you're claiming features are useless as if it is a fact, when in reality is is merely just your opinion, and nothing more. Features add to things, they give you something more to a product, more of a reason to use it as well as added value. Gears remaster could have greatly benefited from being moddable, but instead, thanks to UWP, you cannot even edit the game via ini/config files, let alone mod the core game itself in various ways. There wasn't even a built in forum feature for the game, in order to seek out guidance on modding the game, or helping others to run the game better. There isn't even a user review system. I had to look up why the Gears Remaster port was so bad, and why people thought so, as well as it's numerous performance issues (that still remain unresolved to this day). Just because you don't have features or features for game, does not make it magically superior to one that supports and contains features.


I'd rather not play a badly ported game at all. Playing and accepting crap means you've lowered your standards to suit what the company wants you to have,m rather than your own set. That's not healthy and leads to dissonance. 


I don't mind if Valve bring out smaller titles, but as a frustrated Valve fan, I want something big from them and I am happy to wait as long as its pure Valve quality. But Valve needs to get in contact with there customers and tell us instead of remaining silent all these years giving us the belief they gave up making games.


I don't mind them bringing out smaller titles either, but I'm also aware that they do not poses the kind of studio required to pump out your version of a "AAA" game. I was fine with their partnership with Campo Santo, because they understand what it means to just go with the flow and design a game you want to make, rather than games the big pubs always pump out each year. Not everything has to be a CoD or a Halo, let alone a Creed or an Anthem. Games like Undertale made me look hard at this industry, and how dated and stagnant it's gotten. I prefer games that really experiment with what they've got, rather than playing it safe. Hell, I tried the Forest recently and was wondering why the hell don't all the other open world games contain the mechanics this small and tiny indie game does, because they've added more to them than simple 1080x res eye candy textures (could hardly call them eye candy when all other textures are either low res or blurry). 


What kind of "big" game do you want from them?. I hope it's not another HL game, because 1)95% of the staff are gone, and 2) It would never ever live up to expectations set over the years and thus just fall apart, and no, we shouldn't allow fan fiction to become core lore for HL either, so making fan made mods as core games just means we can do this for Creed, CoD and everything else, if one gets the exception, everyone does, and I know that wouldn't work out well for everything either, so it won't work well for HL.


What else could it be then?. Hopefully not another samey puzzle based game, or another zombie one al la L4D, or another shooty shooty mcbang game. Why not something new and entirely different?. Something that puts you well out of your comfort zone?. Why not a game, that gives you so many choices, one that makes you think really hard?.

I don't think showing us a game 3-4 years before it is released is objectively the best way to show off a game, because console gamers lap and love that stuff, but I sure don't, and it serves to put me off a game, if I know fully well that it's been shown to us in trailers alone for the past 4 years (take that very specifically, because I know what example is to follow).

Exclusives are bad for consumers, but there smart for businesses, in the PC space it doesn't affect me as much as it affects you because I am at least happy I can play the game on my rig instead of buying a another platform just to play a game. I didnt want to buy a PlayStation or a Switch, hence why PSNow would work wonders for me. It offers access.

Yeah, again, it doesn't affect you, but it's clearly affecting others and they are being affected for legitimate reasons, not reasons you don't care for to fob off and act as if it's nothing for them, just because it doesn't affect yourself. I'm happy when I have the choice to buy from each store, but when it's restricted in the way Epic has been doing so recently, it becomes frustrating, primarily because of the issues people like myself have been voicing in regards to the Epic store itself, but to you they don't seem like issues, so you instead belittle any voices made and chant "healthy competition/swift kick up the arse", and it just makes you look rather dim and arrogant at the same time.

Hmm, you sound desperate there. Lets say this, I would pick PC gaming over any form of console gaming if I had to choose, thank the lords I am finically stable to have a few more options in my house. I think you just hate the fact I actually enjoy MS games.

No, not really. You just display more qualities from a core console gamer than a PC one. All the other PC gamers I've spoken to over the years have all liked modding (with a very minute few that semi dabble in modding). The way you go about not caring for things that make PC gaming good, as well as trying to consol-ify PC gaming, just makes you seem like someone who doesn't truly understand what makes an open platform like PC what it is, and why people like it. What you don't like and want instead would simply do away with what PC gaming is about. Your view of competition stems primarily from console based competition, not PC, which is why I picked up on your og post immediately. 

I think you're reaching if you think it's just MS. It's more than that. Primarily it's the fact that you keep inciting the backfire effect, to which we go nowhere, you literally rile things up on purpose and a mod steps in, because you don't like been shown up by anyone, even the user above who was issuing complaints about the Win 10 store and language support, with you seemingly brushing it off as nothing "important", again excusing MS in the process. 

Sounding even more desperate with that one. But you are entitled to your opinion.

I would be careful with how you word that starting sentence, because you should know where it lands you. 

Now all that took awhile for me to response to as well I have been busy at work but I hope I gave you the answers you called for.

No, nothing has been answered, as per usual.

 



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