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d21lewis said:
Eagle367 said:
Sony's doing awesome for sure. Hope they don't get cocky though. They have a tendency to do that after success stories. I mean PS3 sold a shit ton and yet was a bigger failure than the Wii U in terms of money made. So hope they keep their heads down and do what they did with PS2 and ps4 and deliver an awesome PS5. But I do think that the next 3 years are the switch's since first year PS5 can't possibly cross switch just like switch first 2 years didn't. And remember that is with switch being ahead in the us in the same timeframe and massively still in Japan. Maybe even ps5's first 2 years it won't be no.1. we'll see what happens though. Do they screw up? Is it Microsoft's time to take back some of the gamers like it did with 360? How much close to PS4 will switch get and will it cross it? Definitely an interesting time in terms of analytics in gaming

I wouldn't say that doing something one time equals "they tend to do it". Sony kinda has this thing figured out.

Also, before somebody says vita, I think it was a worthy successor with lots of great ideas for (at the time) the same price as the 3DS. It just didn't catch on at all.

I think there are two big reasons the Vita failed to gain traction.  One, Sony went with their own memory cards, instead of the industry standard SDs, which meant the consumer had to pay a lot more for the same amount of memory.  Two, which is the more important of the two, Nintendo dropped their price by a staggering $80 just a few months after launch, mainly due to lowering sales and as a reaction to the upcoming Vita release.  Had Sony stuck with the cheaper SDs and had to go against a 3DS that was $249 for at least a year, there is no doubt in my mind that it would have been a close race.



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Trumpstyle said:
2019 will be an epic battle between Nintendo and Sony, I predict Switch will sell 14millions units and PS4 14-15 Millions units. Switch has so far taken the lead according to vgchartz first week.

Lol this is officially worse than my prediction of switch being around 75-80M by the time the NS2 comes around.

So the NS will sell abut 2.5M+ less in its 3rd year than it did in its second???



ArchangelMadzz said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

They sold PS1 and PS2 at losses very early on too, but not to the tune of $9 billion. 

 9 billion? Where did that come from? 

Already corrected a few posts laster



Megiddo said:
KLAMarine said:

No mention of handhelds?...

No, because Nintendo is the "true king" of handhelds as Sony is the "true king" of home consoles.

But who's the king of video games?



thismeintiel said:

I also wouldn't count on a SSD.  It will most likely be a 1TB HDD, with the ability for the consumer to upgrade it if they wish.  It's just too costly to throw in a large capacity SSD.  I mean that's a $50 difference at retail.  It may be more like a $30 difference for Sony, but that's an added cost of $150M for the first 5M units alone, which would be better spent putting a more powerful chipset in it.  If we ever get to a $5 difference between drives, Sony will probably throw one into the PS5 Pro at launch and probably a Slim, but not the launch model.  The only one I could see putting a SSD in is MS in their top of the line $499 model, and that would probably only be a 500GB one.

There are quite a few thins abut the whole storage issue.

First starting with RAM.... I am expecting them to have 20GB-24GB of RAM. Be that one pool of 20GB-24GB of GDDR6 RAM or 16GB of GDDR6 exclusively for games and 4GB-8GB of LPDDR4 RAM for the OS and secondary apps. So basically whichever is cheaper to implement. 

Now with storage.... you kinda need something a lot faster than a HDD when dealing with games that natively are built around a pool of around 16GB of RAM. That is over 3 times more RAM than the PS4/XB1 used for their games. Now granted there are multiple ways this can be approached; they could ship every console with a 128GB/256GB nand storage embedded on the PCB and still have a 2TB HDD.  Or they could just ship every console with a 1TB SSD which will probably as you pointed out cost them more than a conventional HDD. Though I don't think it will be $30 more. More like $20 more.

So it comes down to which is cheaper..... it may actually be cheaper to put 240GB SSD on the PCB + 1TB HDD than it is to  go with a 1TB SSD. Use 200GB of that embedded storage as some sort f smart cache for gaming and then over the years as SSD pricing gets lower just phase out the HDD. 



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Intrinsic said:
thismeintiel said:

I also wouldn't count on a SSD.  It will most likely be a 1TB HDD, with the ability for the consumer to upgrade it if they wish.  It's just too costly to throw in a large capacity SSD.  I mean that's a $50 difference at retail.  It may be more like a $30 difference for Sony, but that's an added cost of $150M for the first 5M units alone, which would be better spent putting a more powerful chipset in it.  If we ever get to a $5 difference between drives, Sony will probably throw one into the PS5 Pro at launch and probably a Slim, but not the launch model.  The only one I could see putting a SSD in is MS in their top of the line $499 model, and that would probably only be a 500GB one.

There are quite a few thins abut the whole storage issue.

First starting with RAM.... I am expecting them to have 20GB-24GB of RAM. Be that one pool of 20GB-24GB of GDDR6 RAM or 16GB of GDDR6 exclusively for games and 4GB-8GB of LPDDR4 RAM for the OS and secondary apps. So basically whichever is cheaper to implement. 

Now with storage.... you kinda need something a lot faster than a HDD when dealing with games that natively are built around a pool of around 16GB of RAM. That is over 3 times more RAM than the PS4/XB1 used for their games. Now granted there are multiple ways this can be approached; they could ship every console with a 128GB/256GB nand storage embedded on the PCB and still have a 2TB HDD.  Or they could just ship every console with a 1TB SSD which will probably as you pointed out cost them more than a conventional HDD. Though I don't think it will be $30 more. More like $20 more.

So it comes down to which is cheaper..... it may actually be cheaper to put 240GB SSD on the PCB + 1TB HDD than it is to  go with a 1TB SSD. Use 200GB of that embedded storage as some sort f smart cache for gaming and then over the years as SSD pricing gets lower just phase out the HDD. 

I dont know much about this stuff but what would a console like you're proposing cost? And how big of a jump would it be over PS4 Pro/XB1X?



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KingofTrolls said:
Trumpstyle said:
I predict Switch will sell 14millions units 

 

MasonADC said:
Trumpstyle said:
2019 will be an epic battle between Nintendo and Sony, I predict Switch will sell 14millions units and PS4 14-15 Millions units. Switch has so far taken the lead according to vgchartz first week.

Let’s be realistic here 

Someone else might find the figure but I'm sure that both 3DS and Wii peaked in their second year, so I'm just assuming it will happen again.

Funny picture though :)



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PortisheadBiscuit said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

 9 billion? Where did that come from? 

Already corrected a few posts laster

Oh I see I didn't go through the thread.

But yes reading the article they said it would take a long time to recoup the cost of RND into the PS3. As well as the money lost for each sale as they are sold at a loss. But this was 2008. The PS3 slim and super slim came in. They sold millions and milllions of software especially 2009 and onwards and by the time the PS3 came 5 years after that article I'm sure they ended up making money and it was a successful product. They sold almost 87 million of the things.



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Intrinsic said:
Trumpstyle said:

Hmm I don't know where you gotten geforce 1080 ti performance from never seen that anywhere, I think Navi mid-range cards will be between geforce 2060 and vega 56. The latest rumors had Navi mid-range at geforce 2070 but it was likely all fake though.

Right now I believe PS5 will launch Spring 2020 at 399$ with 3,2ghz zen 2 cpu that has 8 core and 16 threads, Navi at 9TF likely vega 56 performance, 12 GB Gddr6 Ram on a 192-bit bus and 1TB NVMe SSD drive.  

And you probably will be wrong on just about everything you said there with exception to the CPU.

Damn there is s much wrong in that post......

GPU:

Lowest to expect will be 10TF. First off we know nothing about Navi other than its a more efficient architecture than Vega or Polaris(whats in the PS4pro/XB1X). So if we take the CU cunt of the XB1X, do nothing but put it in a 7nm chip, we will be able t clock that GPU t as much as 1.8Ghz. Being that its really small. That alone gives you 9TF+.

But lets say they can some how throw in more CUs (which should go without saying really) And lets say for some reason they can't double the CU count (PS4 to PS4pro) or Triple the CU count (XB1 to XB1X) But instead only can add about 50% more CUs to whats in an XB1X (so 40 to 60 CUs). Now since the chip is bigger, say they only clock the GPU as high as 1.35GHz. You end up with a 10TF+ GPU.

And this is not taking any new improvements a new GPU architecture will no doubt bring

RAM: 

Not a chance it has the same amount f RAM that the XB1X that was released in 2017 had.

Further more you also aren't taking the inherent benefits of GDDR6 into account. Each GDDR6 package has twice the capacity of GDDR5 (16Gb vs 8Gb) while also being twice as fast. This means that if sony goes with a board layout similar to the PS4/PS4pro the least they can end up with is 16GB or GDDR6 ram. If they go with one similar to the XB1X, then they end up with 24GB of RAM.

Oh..... and definitely not on a 192bit bus.... dont even know where you pulled that from. Minimum 256bit bus and max 384bit bus.

SSD:

Just forget that NvME drive.

It may be an M.2 drive. And as such an SSD but definitely not NVME class.

I'm glad you finding so much wrong with my post but let me explain. About the GPU.

First a 40CU (xbox one X SOC) clocked at 1800mhz on 7nm transistors will probably pull about 200w we need to get that number down to 100-120W. Looking at Vega for both 14nm/7nm, the chinese console and amds own apu with just 11CU at 210mm2 die I just can't get the math to support a gpu that has more than 9TF. Just looking at Vega VII with 338mm2 die at 7nm having just 60CU we can conclude it's very unlikely we will see more than 60CU on PS5. And based on towshardware vega 56 review on how much power this card pull at varies clock-speed my conclusion is that PS5 will have about 56CU clocked at 1200-1300 MHZ. Which is actually pretty close to what you wrote.

RAM and Storage:

There's two reason I believe we will see 12 GB ram and not the common-sense prediction of 16 or 24 GB of ram. The first is prices of GDDR6 seems a good amount higher than Gddr5 and second there won't be any need for more Ram anyways because PS5 will use AMDs High-bandwidth cache controller (HBCC) which will make the ram usage much more efficient.

Because of HBCC next-gen consoles will go 1TB NVME ssd drives which is needed to use HBCC, now I seen some people thinking the price to high, but right now looking at Newegg 1TB NVMe cost between 155-180$ (I'm assuming Sony buys this stuff half the retail price) and those are high quality NVMe SSDs (intel 660p, HP EX920 and Corsair Force MP300). Prices are also predicted to drop between 20-50% this year and will likely drop a good amount during next-gen because of very high competition making 1TB NVMe ssd drive an excellent choice.

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Trumpstyle said:
KingofTrolls said:

 

MasonADC said:

Let’s be realistic here 

Someone else might find the figure but I'm sure that both 3DS and Wii peaked in their second year, so I'm just assuming it will happen again.

Funny picture though :)

The switch isn’t the wii, and it especially isn’t the 3ds