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The fact that circumcision IS so common in the US is a gigantic issue.
You're basically cutting the nerve endings in the penis making them feel less sensation, leading to sexual dysfunction due to the lack of feeling and control (basically leading to both premature ejaculation and inability to ejaculate, to downright impotence from a lack of sensation.


Why on earth would you consider doing something so damaging to your son and his sex life for cosmetic reasons? If I were asking you this same question about my daughter, wondering if I should cut off her clitoris for cosmetic reasons, you would think I'm a monster.



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So far, I had zero problems. Just wash every day and everything is ok.

In case he needs in a future, you can do it, but as some said already , you can’t undo.



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Jumpin said:
The fact that circumcision IS so common in the US is a gigantic issue.
You're basically cutting the nerve endings in the penis making them feel less sensation, leading to sexual dysfunction due to the lack of feeling and control (basically leading to both premature ejaculation and inability to ejaculate, to downright impotence from a lack of sensation.


Why on earth would you consider doing something so damaging to your son and his sex life for cosmetic reasons? If I were asking you this same question about my daughter, wondering if I should cut off her clitoris for cosmetic reasons, you would think I'm a monster.

Like someone else in the thread said, male and female circumcisions are not equivalent.

Cutting a piece of foreskin has a negative impact on sensation, sure, but it has a positive one on self-esteem (hence why some people think the aesthetic value is not something to sneer about). Additionally, the smell of "smegma" is non-existent in circumcised penises.

Circumcising the clitoris is literally taking the mechanism of orgasm off a woman. The clitoris is actually around 7 inches long and the small piece of flesh you see is like the tip of the iceberg. Even vaginal orgasms are due to the clitoris (the g-spot is the other end). So female circumcision is actually closer to cutting the head of your penis off. I feel nasty just thinking about it, and I feel terrible for women that have experienced it.

I don't regret having a circumcision as a man, though. Plenty of circumcised men have normal sex lives, and plenty of uncircumcised men have erectile disfunction or inability to ejaculate.



danasider said:
Jumpin said:
The fact that circumcision IS so common in the US is a gigantic issue.
You're basically cutting the nerve endings in the penis making them feel less sensation, leading to sexual dysfunction due to the lack of feeling and control (basically leading to both premature ejaculation and inability to ejaculate, to downright impotence from a lack of sensation.


Why on earth would you consider doing something so damaging to your son and his sex life for cosmetic reasons? If I were asking you this same question about my daughter, wondering if I should cut off her clitoris for cosmetic reasons, you would think I'm a monster.

Like someone else in the thread said, male and female circumcisions are not equivalent.

Cutting a piece of foreskin has a negative impact on sensation, sure, but it has a positive one on self-esteem (hence why some people think the aesthetic value is not something to sneer about). Additionally, the smell of "smegma" is non-existent in circumcised penises.

Circumcising the clitoris is literally taking the mechanism of orgasm off a woman. The clitoris is actually around 7 inches long and the small piece of flesh you see is like the tip of the iceberg. Even vaginal orgasms are due to the clitoris (the g-spot is the other end). So female circumcision is actually closer to cutting the head of your penis off. I feel nasty just thinking about it, and I feel terrible for women that have experienced it.

I don't regret having a circumcision as a man, though. Plenty of circumcised men have normal sex lives, and plenty of uncircumcised men have erectile disfunction or inability to ejaculate.

Thanks for making me feel a little better at least lol

And (without getting too graphic) I don't really feel any sort of lack or or irregular sensation - although I have no basis for comparison obviously haha.



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DarthMetalliCube said:

Thanks for making me feel a little better at least lol

And (without getting too graphic) I don't really feel any sort of lack or or irregular sensation - although I have no basis for comparison obviously haha.

Glad to make a positive impact on someone haha. The doom and gloom in this thread doesn't take into consideration that a lot of guys in specific cultures (US, Jewish, etc.) actually are proud of their circumcised penises.

And the equating of male and female circumcisions drives me crazy, because frankly they're completely different. My sex life wasn't ruined by my circumcision, and I'd argue that's true for most guys who have circumcised penises. Heck, look at porn. The majority of guys are cut.

Female circumcision, on the other hand ruins most women's sex lives on a physical level.



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Wow, this thread is surprisingly negative towards circumcision. I am happily circumcised, and I'm glad my parents had the doctor do it when I was a baby because it's quite painful as an adult from what I've heard, and there is a greater risk of complication if you have a circumcision done as an adult.

  • Cleanliness. A circumcised penis is just much easier to keep clean.
  • Reduced risk of various health problems. Studies show a reduced risk of contracting HIV, HPV, genital herpes, chancroid, syphillis, and penile cancer in circumcised men. Studies also show that the female partners of circumcised men are less likely to contract cervical cancer than the female partners of uncircumcised men. Uncircumcised men are also more prone to Urinary Tract Infections. 
  • Attractiveness. In the US at least, the vast majority of women prefer circumcised penises, and some have such an intense dislike of uncircumcised penises that they will refuse to perform oral or even have normal sex with uncircumcised guys. 
  • Circumcisions on babies are much safer than adult circumcisions. The risk of complications increases from 1.5% on infant circumcision all the way up to 6% on adult circumcision, and the risk of severe complication on infants is just 0.2% (and reduced to near negligibility if performed by a qualified doctor). Pain in the circumcision scar is nearly non-existent after infant circumcisions, but common among men who were circumcised as an adult, sometimes becoming chronic. So you may think you are doing your son a favor by waiting and letting him make the choice himself, but you are not. 


Also, take note, the claims of reduction in sexual sensation and increased rates of premature ejaculation and erectile dysfunction in this thread are bogus, multiple studies have found no correlation between circumcision and loss of sensation, premature ejaculation, and erectile dysfunction.

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Runa216 said:
I think the thing that pisses me off most about the circumcision 'debate' is that absolutely none of the pro-circumcision arguments come close to matching the anti-circumcision arguments. Or, for that matter, just one argument.

Choice.

None of the arguments I've EVER heard are even close to the same level of 'it's a man's penis, it should be his choice in the end, he shouldn't have that choice taken away.' this isn't something like 'do we pierce his ears' or 'we want to cut our daughter's hair and make her bald'. This is a permanent, life-altering decision and change in genital anatomy that will impact his ability to enjoy sex for his entire life.

Arguments like 'it's easier to clean' are positively inane. Clean your dick. Teach your kid to clean his dick. ITS NOT HARD. Will kids laugh? Who cares? Circumcision is, AT BEST, a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Will it hurt more or be more impactful when you're an adult? yes, but again that's his choice; if he feels its worth it then he'll do it. a few weeks of discomfort to have what might be to him a better experience is worth it. A man is a child for 18 years before he becomes a man, but after that a reasonable person can be alive another 50-60 years after that. At that point if he REALLY wants to get cut, that's up to him, but if he was and wants foreskin, too bad for him. No need to get into the stupidity of religion.

But my point is simply that it's a lifetime-lasting decision based on a parent's worries about the kid's first 1/5 of their lives. Even if for some reason a penis WAS hard to wash (it's not) or it WAS more subject to diseases when uncut (it's not), then circumcision is still shorthand for "I'm a bad parent who can't be bothered to teach my kid how to not be a disgusting slob so I'm just gonna remove the issue.",

Again, ALL of the arguments pro-circumcision ONLY concern the first 18 years of the man's life, presumably half or three quarters of which he won't even be having sex. Why does ANYONE find it a reasonable decision to do this to someone at birth based solely on mistruths and shortsightedness?

If you circumcise and they resent it when they get older, then they're stuck with YOUR decision. If you don't circumcise and they wish to be upon getting older, then VOILA, they're able to. It should be their decision.

Parents make decisions for children all the time.

Additionally, I'd argue the choice is more important for the child's adult years, as that's when they'll be having the majority of sex. And in the US, circumcised penises are just more accepted.

I'd also wager that the people complaining about a lack of choice haven't actually had a circumcision. I've never heard of a guy who was circumcised as a child complain about it in their adult years. We don't remember it. Most of us are happy our parents has us circumcised as infants.

However, I have heard about complications with regard to adult males having circumcisions. And I have heard about guys being less confident due to perceptions women have of uncircumcised penises.



shikamaru317 said:

Wow, this thread is surprisingly negative towards circumcision. I am happily circumcised, and I'm glad my parents had the doctor do it when I was a baby because it's quite painful as an adult from what I've heard, and there is a greater risk of complication if you have a circumcision done as an adult.

  • Cleanliness. A circumcised penis is just much easier to keep clean.
  • Reduced risk of various health problems. Studies show a reduced risk of contracting HIV, HPV, genital herpes, chancroid, syphillis, and penile cancer in circumcised men. Studies also show that the female partners of circumcised men are less likely to contract cervical cancer than the female partners of uncircumcised men. Uncircumcised men are also more prone to Urinary Tract Infections. 
  • Attractiveness. In the US at least, the vast majority of women prefer circumcised penises, and some have such an intense dislike of uncircumcised penises that they will refuse to perform oral or even have normal sex with uncircumcised guys. 
  • Circumcisions on babies are much safer than adult circumcisions. The risk of complications increases from 1.5% on infant circumcision all the way up to 6% on adult circumcision, and the risk of severe complication on infants is just 0.2% (and reduced to near negligibility if performed by a qualified doctor). Pain in the circumcision scar is nearly non-existent after infant circumcisions, but common among men who were circumcised as an adult, sometimes becoming chronic. So you may think you are doing your son a favor by waiting and letting him make the choice himself, but you are not. 


Also, take note, the claims of reduction in sexual sensation and increased rates of premature ejaculation and erectile dysfunction in this thread are bogus, multiple studies have found no correlation between circumcision and loss of sensation, premature ejaculation, and erectile dysfunction.

I think what we see in this thread is significant ignorance to the realities of male circumcision.   I see things in here stated as facts that are not backed up by any of the research that I've done, and I've done a lot of research the last couple of weeks.  Also, equating it with common forms of female genital mutilation is a pretty big stretch.  But, I can understand where people that are not familiar with the procedure find it barbaric. In some senses, it is.

With that said, I think there is a pretty clear consensus that philosophically, performing a cosmetic procedure on someone without their consent is morally wrong.  And, as a parent that is about to have to make this decision, this is the primary factor that is leading me towards not having my son circumcised.  



Also, thank you to everyone that participated in this discussion in a respectful, constructive way (which is just about everyone). The wife and I are taking everyone's feedback into consideration.



VAMatt said:

I think what we see in this thread is significant ignorance to the realities of male circumcision.   I see things in here stated as facts that are not backed up by any of the research that I've done, and I've done a lot of research the last couple of weeks.  Also, equating it with common forms of female genital mutilation is a pretty big stretch.  But, I can understand where people that are not familiar with the procedure find it barbaric. In some senses, it is.

With that said, I think there is a pretty clear consensus that philosophically, performing a cosmetic procedure on someone without their consent is morally wrong.  And, as a parent that is about to have to make this decision, this is the primary factor that is leading me towards not having my son circumcised.  

Morality is ambiguous. You can see it as wrong while someone else can see it as right, because a) parents make choices for children all the time so consent is thrown out of the window for a lot of things for the sake of giving those children a better future, and b) the end justifies the means to some.

However, even though I don't agree that circumcision is morally wrong, I support your right to believe that, and I also applaud you using your moral compass as a method of making decisions. It's much better than using pseudo-science and logical fallacies as a basis of doing things.