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Circumcision - Yes or No?

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Short answer: When made to kids who can't decide or defend themselves it's abusive, barbaric, ignorant and cruel.

It's not just cosmetic as you say, it's a mutilation of a part of the body that nature created over millions of years of evolution, it's SUPPOSED to be there, but I guess nature did not take into account human ignorance also known as human culture/religion.

If anyone wish to do it, fine, do it to YOURSELVES, it's your bodies but not on a kid who has no say in this matter.

The hygiene excuse is total BS, true that you are cleaner with it cut but by the same logic you'd be cleaner if your nails were all pulled off at birth, there would never be dirt under them, same with your arm pits, they would be automatically cleaner if you cut off your arms. The solution is simple, teach your kid to be clean down there, to wash it all well when in the shower instead of using the lazy alternative of barbaric mutilation.

Please don't do that to an innocent child.



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The only people i know in rl that had this done to them are Christians that shut of logic whenever it gets discussed.



Immersiveunreality said:
The only people i know in rl that had this done to them are Christians that shut of logic whenever it gets discussed.

You don't know many people. It is only required in Judaism and Islam.



Ugh. This is going to be a huge fight if and when I have kids since my family is Jewish. But I can't think of any good reason to mutilate a child's genitals for the sake of tradition.



numberwang said:
Immersiveunreality said:
The only people i know in rl that had this done to them are Christians that shut of logic whenever it gets discussed.

You don't know many people. It is only required in Judaism and Islam.

Wrong,it is most common in Judaism and Islam but it also exist in Christianity at different rates depending on the country.



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Mutilation.. Yeah right. I have read many horror stories of bad hygiene as a result of non circumcision. Hygiene and infections. He will be much better off circumcised.



Immersiveunreality said:
numberwang said:

You don't know many people. It is only required in Judaism and Islam.

Wrong,it is most common in Judaism and Islam but it also exist in Christianity at different rates depending on the country.

Exist yes (in the US for some unique cultural reason) but not required and I have not heard a christian making an religious argument for it.



Damn I'm almost a year late seeing this. I read every single post. I gotta say, "WOW..!" I never imagined so many are against circumcision. Holy smokes!



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Rafie said:
Damn I'm almost a year late seeing this. I read every single post. I gotta say, "WOW..!" I never imagined so many are against circumcision. Holy smokes!

Why would anyone be for it? It's the mutilation of a sexual organ based off religious beliefs or laziness/ignorance. You can teach a kid to peel his foreskin back and clean it, you can also give your kid the ability to chose for themselves if they prefer to be circumcized later in life. You can't teach them to grow it back and are taking that option away if you do it for them before they're old enough to make an educated decision based on personal desires and experience.

Is there a chance that phimosis could happen or an infection could develop or they could be unsanitary? Of course there is. There always is. there's also a chance I'll trip and fall in traffic and get ran over, it doesn't mean I shouldn't go outside to get groceries or take my dog for a walk. However, the small chance of an issue arising later in life doesn't even begin to compare to the negative that is taking that choice away from your kid. 

Likewise, is there a chance your kid will grow up to be glad they're circumcized? Sure, lots of people are conditioned to like what they are used to. The reality is that, in the end, you're taking that choice away either way. If you do that, then they can't decide for themselves; if you leave it, it can always be done later. However, it's a point of no return. 

And considering how important people hold sex and sexuality in this world, I'm shocked that this isn't even more contested than it already is. I'm glad it's banned in Germany, now I hope it'll be banned in the rest of the civilized world, too. 



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Rafie said:
Damn I'm almost a year late seeing this. I read every single post. I gotta say, "WOW..!" I never imagined so many are against circumcision. Holy smokes!

Why would anyone be for it? It's the mutilation of a sexual organ based off religious beliefs or laziness/ignorance. You can teach a kid to peel his foreskin back and clean it, you can also give your kid the ability to chose for themselves if they prefer to be circumcized later in life. You can't teach them to grow it back and are taking that option away if you do it for them before they're old enough to make an educated decision based on personal desires and experience.

Is there a chance that phimosis could happen or an infection could develop or they could be unsanitary? Of course there is. There always is. there's also a chance I'll trip and fall in traffic and get ran over, it doesn't mean I shouldn't go outside to get groceries or take my dog for a walk. However, the small chance of an issue arising later in life doesn't even begin to compare to the negative that is taking that choice away from your kid. 

Likewise, is there a chance your kid will grow up to be glad they're circumcized? Sure, lots of people are conditioned to like what they are used to. The reality is that, in the end, you're taking that choice away either way. If you do that, then they can't decide for themselves; if you leave it, it can always be done later. However, it's a point of no return. 

And considering how important people hold sex and sexuality in this world, I'm shocked that this isn't even more contested than it already is. I'm glad it's banned in Germany, now I hope it'll be banned in the rest of the civilized world, too. 

You've been the most vocal about this. I get your stance. I'm not contesting anything. However, I also understand those with opposing opinions to this. I myself am circumcised. I didn't have a choice in the matter, but I'm also not angry about it either. It seems common here in the states. I never asked my mother why she had that done. Then again, she was 15 when she had me. I'm 37 now.

Anyway, I've learned quite a few things reading through post like yours. Mostly educational (albeit a bit aggressive or passionate...depending on how you view it). I appreciate the run down.



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