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Cobretti2 said:
VAMatt said:

Yes.  But, the people in his age group are being born now.  So, those circumcision decisions are (mostly) being made now.

Just to let everyone in on something - while only 60%  of kids born in the US are being circumsized now, the rate among Americans born to American parents is very high.  I don't have an  official number, but I'm thinking 95% or so.  When talking to friends and family about this matter, nearly everyone was clearly defaulting to "yes, circumsize".  In fact, many of our friends looked at us like we're crazy for even considering leaving him uncircumcised.  It's basically only my libertarian activist friends that seem to even have considered not circumsizing.  

Wifey and I have pretty much decided not to have him circumsized.  As I said before, it mostly comes down to consent, at least in my mind.  But, it is a fact that this decision will leave our son with an abnormal penis, relative to people around him.  We don't have to like or approve of the tradition of circumcision here.  But, that doesn't change the fact that it is the standard.   Then again, somebody has to stop accepting stupid traditions, if they're ever going to change......

Yer what I meant was basically what you said ask around see what people are doing now because by the time he and adult it may be a norm for adults his ages not to be circumsised. 

Also  are your friends just doing it because that's all they know. Or have they asked questions like you have? Have you asked them other than tradition why they doing it?

I think you asking questions around to see who is getting it done and who isn't is a great idea.  If it was 95% getting it done then yer i'd be strongly thinking it should be done. 

The 95% you mentioned, is that 95% circumcised by American born parents still and the 60% is all kids from different nationalities within the US?

What I find strange is how did these women come to a conclusion that uncricumsised is bad? How many dicks do they look at to determine that lol. No one is born like that is there some sort of queen bee telling people you much only like cut lol.

I don't think many people have come to the conclusion that uncircumcised is bad.  It's just that it is abnormal for Americans.  Many people, especially when they are young and dumb, see abnormal in a negative light.

Also, I should note that the 60% of kids being circumcised comes from hospital circumcisions of children born in the USA.  There are other people that get it done at the pediatrician, or as part of a religious ceremony.  So, the actual number is higher than 60% (some sources seemed to think it is actually a lot higher).   I'll also note that while the trend is moving away from circumcision, it is moving very slowly.  I don't have the stats in from of my now.  But, I recall reading that it has declined from something like 68% 40 years ago, to 60% now.  

To answer your question about why people do it, it seems to me that not doing never even crosses most people's mind.  Circumcision is just the norm for Americans.  It's as simple as that, apparently.  

Among my libertarian activist friends, the issue tends to be consent (as you would expect from libertarians).  So, since the kid can't consent, libertarians almost universally oppose circumcising a child, absent medical need.  But, among my non-libertarian associates, I can think of only one person that didn't default to "yes, of course you should circumcise him."  After talking about it, a good number of those people seemed to understand the arguments against it, and some changed to a more neutral position.  But, even then, at least half seemed to think that not circumcising him would have a negative impact on his life in one way or another (usually they either assumed that he'll be ashamed, or that it will turn off possible sex partners).  

Anyway, I'm a hardcore libertarian myself, so I see the lack of consent as a problem.  That's probably the only reason that this debate even occurred to me.  Everyone I know (that I've talked to about this) is circumcised.  My brothers were, my father was.  So, I think I would have probably gone along with the tradition too.  






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Did your wife give birth yet?  If not, I hope all goes smoothly!



PaulGaleNetwork said:

Did your wife give birth yet?  If not, I hope all goes smoothly!

We're at the hospital now, where we've been for the last 30 hours.  She's being induced, so we very well could be waiting a while still.  

No problems so far, thankfully.



VAMatt said:
PaulGaleNetwork said:

Did your wife give birth yet?  If not, I hope all goes smoothly!

We're at the hospital now, where we've been for the last 30 hours.  She's being induced, so we very well could be waiting a while still.  

No problems so far, thankfully.

30 hours is quite a while!  Good luck with everything.



omarct said:
DarthMetalliCube said:
I'm seriously considering some sort of foreskin restoration, just reading some of the recent data and anecdotal stuff that's come out in recent years about being uncircumcised vs cut and what is lost during circumcision. I mean I still feel pleasure and everything but I still can't help but wonder how much improved it could be, to the point where it's starting to irk me. And again - at the risk of being too graphic I do have somewhat tight skin to the point where there can be some mild discomfort/tension when fully erect. Really tempted to at least try to obtain a mild form of restoration. Obviously I can't get back all that was lost but even if it's 40% that's good enough for me..

I dont recommend it mate, that restoration stuff is mostly make up. Plus it might make it look odd as you will be neither circumcised nor natural. This is the main reason I chose to circumcise my kid, because he had to get a foreskin operation but the doc said he could keep most of the foreskin but I would rather him be all the way natural or circumcised, didnt want some mixture in-between that might give him some confidence issues.

I don't know, I can't help but get this building feeling of becoming more and more opposed to the idea of circumcision within the last few years in particular. Based on the vast amount of research I've done (and believe me I've looked into it a lot), I've simply seen a grand total of zero good excuses in favor of circumcision. Everything I seen just seems to amount to little more than "tradition", cultural values, moral/religious superstition, etc. The only arguments I've seen that even hold a tiny bit of water are: circumcised is more aesthetically pleasing, and it's more hygienic..

Well with regards to the first point - I honestly couldn't care less what women think it looks like. If they would actually want to leave me or not engage in sexual activity for that sole reason, than I say good riddance. I wouldn't want somebody with that mentality anyway. And beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Many women are far more used to the uncircumcised look - not so much in my neck of the woods but still. As far as the second point - this isn't the 18th century. We have more than sufficient methods of cleaning. It's a simple task.

I also share a similar view with VAMAtt's sentiment - in being pretty firmly libertarian in many of my views/philosophies, I have this nagging feeling that something was taken from me without my content, and I want it back. 50% of my reasoning/motivation is taking back power and being in control of my own fate.

Again, obviously there were, erm.. bits that were lost that I won't be able to fully get back or replicate. But from what I've looked into regarding the subject of restoration, there certainly are some benefits of additional skin, and even if this brings it to a penis that's 80% functional/closer to its natural state, it's better than the 20-40% I'm working with now. :/

Besides, if I'm not liking what I'm feeling/seeing, I can always abort mission anyway with no harm done. It's an extremely long and slow process anyway, so it's not like I'll wake up one morning to a drastically different looking unit.



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DarthMetalliCube said:
omarct said:

I dont recommend it mate, that restoration stuff is mostly make up. Plus it might make it look odd as you will be neither circumcised nor natural. This is the main reason I chose to circumcise my kid, because he had to get a foreskin operation but the doc said he could keep most of the foreskin but I would rather him be all the way natural or circumcised, didnt want some mixture in-between that might give him some confidence issues.

I don't know, I can't help but get this building feeling of becoming more and more opposed to the idea of circumcision within the last few years in particular. Based on the vast amount of research I've done (and believe me I've looked into it a lot), I've simply seen a grand total of zero good excuses in favor of circumcision. Everything I seen just seems to amount to little more than "tradition", cultural values, moral/religious superstition, etc. The only arguments I've seen that even hold a tiny bit of water are: circumcised is more aesthetically pleasing, and it's more hygienic..

Well with regards to the first point - I honestly couldn't care less what women think it looks like. If they would actually want to leave me or not engage in sexual activity for that sole reason, than I say good riddance. I wouldn't want somebody with that mentality anyway. And beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Many women are far more used to the uncircumcised look - not so much in my neck of the woods but still. As far as the second point - this isn't the 18th century. We have more than sufficient methods of cleaning. It's a simple task.

I also share a similar view with VAMAtt's sentiment - in being pretty firmly libertarian in many of my views/philosophies, I have this nagging feeling that something was taken from me without my content, and I want it back. 50% of my reasoning/motivation is taking back power and being in control of my own fate.

Again, obviously there were, erm.. bits that were lost that I won't be able to fully get back or replicate. But from what I've looked into regarding the subject of restoration, there certainly are some benefits of additional skin, and even if this brings it to a penis that's 80% functional/closer to its natural state, it's better than the 20-40% I'm working with now. :/

Besides, if I'm not liking what I'm feeling/seeing, I can always abort mission anyway with no harm done. It's an extremely long and slow process anyway, so it's not like I'll wake up one morning to a drastically different looking unit.

Don't know anything about surgical restoration. And while I also don't know how big the difference is when it comes to sexual pleasure for a more sensitive (uncircumsized) penis vs a less sensitive (circumsized) one, it's probably something you wouldn't miss, because you never knew the difference in the first place. Whether the difference is big or not.
Unless you chopped it off midway through life, that is.

But yeah, we're born that way, probably for a good reason. It's supposed to protect our most sensitive parts, like pretty much every other sensitive part of out body.
I wouldn't cut off my eyelids just because there's a chance it could get infected, back when hygiene was different.
But if there's a medical complication down there and the doctor recommends it, then sure. Otherwise, don't try to fix what isn't broker.

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Our healthy boy was born today, by C-section, after a 45ish hour long, unsuccessful induction and labor.

His weenie is still intact.



VAMatt said:
Our healthy boy was born today, by C-section, after a 45ish hour long, unsuccessful induction and labor.

His weenie is still intact.

Almost two full days...wow!  Good to hear that he was born healthy and here’s to a happy, healthy life for him.  To you and wife, congratulations!  😁



Hello everyone,,

Is it easier to keep your eyeballs clean if you cut of your eyelids? Obviously not, that's insane.

Is it easier to keep your dick clean if you cut of the foreskin? Its the same thing.

It dries out and hardens, the entire head turns into a callus and loses most of the sensitivity. There are no more natural antibacterial and moisturizing oils (yes, the body normally produces these). Taking that away does not make your dick healthier.
As some have already mentioned, if you live in a jungle and never shower, then yeah. Could be a "cleaner" alternative. Otherwise, warm water gotcha' covered.
The foreskin on a baby isn't loose, its attached to the shaft at that age. It is forcefully ripped off, and the pain is immense. Its serious trauma to put a baby through. Seriously consider what it is and why anyone even wants to do it.
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Don't cut into babies for no reason. Just don't.

If you want to do it as an adult, all power to yah. But that's a completely different thing.

Last edited by Jawari - on 25 November 2019

Unless medically advised (which is nearly never), I'd suggest not doing it.
It really isn't necessary the vast majority of the time.