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Clank said:
colafitte said:

In Spain we have some kind of phobia related to Microsoft brand because of Windows and Bill Gates. I never understood why but it is the way it is here. 

Is it? I have always heard people complaining about windows and all but I thought it was just the normal for spanish people (to complain about many stuff)... But thinking about it theres always been this disconfort with their products (I thought it was everywhere the same lol)

The jokes back in the 90's were already that windows was always slow and failed every time (blue screen) and that Bill Gates was a thief.

American companies were not well regarded in general back then... 



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colafitte said:
Alcyon said:

Ok, you are using a stupid metric (a ratio of ratios is a stupid metric. "5 time better" when you compare +20% to +100% is REALLY a bad metric, +1% vs +5% has the same issue), you argue on non-existent points (the goal was to show that Euroe isn't a single market) and I just checked the first year vs the second year. If I didn't, you'd be whining that, for the Switch, I was looking at these 2 years.

 

But ok. PS4

2015 : UK (1148K) - GE (1371K) - FR (1026K). 3314K for the rest.

2016 : UK (942K) - GE (1203K) - FR (972K). 3678K for the rest.

 

UK -14%

GE -12%

FR -5%

Rest +11%

 

That's more than infinitely better !

 

For various reasons, the "rest" is usualy "lagging".

"Stupid metric"...., ok. Whatever you say... I did not used only ratios, i posted exactly how much sold rest of Europe in 2017 and 2018, pointing out it was a 100% growth. This is very easy: Find a country in Europe where Switch has sold 100% or more than the year before and then i can start believe i'm wrong, and if you find more than one, the better. I prefer to have actual data and being wrong than the contrary. Until then i will keep MY OPINION about Europe being overtracked.

As for the second point. I guess you want to say that in 2016 UK, GE and FR sold less and the rest of Europe sold more than the year before. But how that matters when what i'm discussing is the level of growth so big compared to a year before? Even that number you post is not a 100% growth from the year before...so what then?

 

If you find normal that Italy, Portugal, Netherlands, Greece, Belgium, Sweden, Austria, Poland, ..........(all the rest of countries that VGC count as Europe alongside UK, FR, GE and Spain) grow combined around 100% or more than the year before....good for you!. I'm not trying to force my opinion in you. Believe what you want. I'm only giving perspective of the situation so anyone can make their own conclusion. You made yours and i made mine. 

Here is another way to look at things.

2017

UK-680k

France-910k

Spain-300k

Portugal-20k

Combined-1910k

In Nintendo's Q3 FY presentation last year, they had a graph showing Switch had sold ~3.5 million in Europe as of January 20, 2018 so 3.3-3.4 million at the end of 2017 sounds about right.

That means those 4 countries made up roughly ~57 % of Europe sales. Now let's look at this years numbers.

2018

UK-820k

France-1130k

Spain-390k

Portugal-50k

Combined-2390k

Assuming those 4 countries still make up ~57% of Europe sales than it would have sold ~4.2 million in 2018 for a grand total of 7.5-7.6 million LTD for Europe so that would be about ~500k overtracked.



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Alcyon said:
Now, they start putting Dutch (23M people) Portuguese (10M people), Russian (I don't know if Russia is part of Europe or not in the charts, but Russian is spoken in several eastern countries), etc. 

The European part of Russia is the biggest European " country", also most populated, 108 MLN, Germany is second with 82. The total number of Russian language users in Europe is well above 200m.

Last edited by KingofTrolls - on 24 January 2019

zorg1000 said:
colafitte said:

"Stupid metric"...., ok. Whatever you say... I did not used only ratios, i posted exactly how much sold rest of Europe in 2017 and 2018, pointing out it was a 100% growth. This is very easy: Find a country in Europe where Switch has sold 100% or more than the year before and then i can start believe i'm wrong, and if you find more than one, the better. I prefer to have actual data and being wrong than the contrary. Until then i will keep MY OPINION about Europe being overtracked.

As for the second point. I guess you want to say that in 2016 UK, GE and FR sold less and the rest of Europe sold more than the year before. But how that matters when what i'm discussing is the level of growth so big compared to a year before? Even that number you post is not a 100% growth from the year before...so what then?

 

If you find normal that Italy, Portugal, Netherlands, Greece, Belgium, Sweden, Austria, Poland, ..........(all the rest of countries that VGC count as Europe alongside UK, FR, GE and Spain) grow combined around 100% or more than the year before....good for you!. I'm not trying to force my opinion in you. Believe what you want. I'm only giving perspective of the situation so anyone can make their own conclusion. You made yours and i made mine. 

Here is another way to look at things.

2017

UK-680k

France-910k

Spain-300k

Portugal-20k

Combined-1910k

In Nintendo's Q3 FY presentation last year, they had a graph showing Switch had sold ~3.5 million in Europe as of January 20, 2018 so 3.3-3.4 million at the end of 2017 sounds about right.

That means those 4 countries made up roughly ~57 % of Europe sales. Now let's look at this years numbers.

2018

UK-820k

France-1130k

Spain-390k

Portugal-50k

Combined-2390k

Assuming those 4 countries still make up ~57% of Europe sales than it would have sold ~4.2 million in 2018 for a grand total of 7.5-7.6 million LTD for Europe so that would be about ~500k overtracked.

Thanks zorg for your input. And like I said a few days ago, I expect around 500-600k overtracked so it could match with what you are saying too.

What I am saying is just a theory. Is not a fact by  any means. Is just that when vgc fails at tracking hardware sales  historically has been always in the most difficult regions to track, like Europe as a whole and "others" . 



Evilms said:

Finally, the sales of the XB1 is 41 million consoles.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-one-global-sales-at-41-million-digital-sale-ratio-far-higher-on-xbox-one-than-on-other-platforms.95535/

Thank you for the information. While this figure isn't likely 100% accurate VGC clearly has the Xbox One overtracked. I will be making Xbox one adjustments to be more in line with this. 



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zorg1000 said:
colafitte said:

"Stupid metric"...., ok. Whatever you say... I did not used only ratios, i posted exactly how much sold rest of Europe in 2017 and 2018, pointing out it was a 100% growth. This is very easy: Find a country in Europe where Switch has sold 100% or more than the year before and then i can start believe i'm wrong, and if you find more than one, the better. I prefer to have actual data and being wrong than the contrary. Until then i will keep MY OPINION about Europe being overtracked.

As for the second point. I guess you want to say that in 2016 UK, GE and FR sold less and the rest of Europe sold more than the year before. But how that matters when what i'm discussing is the level of growth so big compared to a year before? Even that number you post is not a 100% growth from the year before...so what then?

 

If you find normal that Italy, Portugal, Netherlands, Greece, Belgium, Sweden, Austria, Poland, ..........(all the rest of countries that VGC count as Europe alongside UK, FR, GE and Spain) grow combined around 100% or more than the year before....good for you!. I'm not trying to force my opinion in you. Believe what you want. I'm only giving perspective of the situation so anyone can make their own conclusion. You made yours and i made mine. 

Here is another way to look at things.

2017

UK-680k

France-910k

Spain-300k

Portugal-20k

Combined-1910k

In Nintendo's Q3 FY presentation last year, they had a graph showing Switch had sold ~3.5 million in Europe as of January 20, 2018 so 3.3-3.4 million at the end of 2017 sounds about right.

That means those 4 countries made up roughly ~57 % of Europe sales. Now let's look at this years numbers.

2018

UK-820k

France-1130k

Spain-390k

Portugal-50k

Combined-2390k

Assuming those 4 countries still make up ~57% of Europe sales than it would have sold ~4.2 million in 2018 for a grand total of 7.5-7.6 million LTD for Europe so that would be about ~500k overtracked.

 

Then take the PS4 at his launch and you'd find that the PS4 was overtracked during the second year. We are back to square one. The numbers

 

In 2013 the PS4 sold 1682K in Europe.

UK (565K)+FR (260K)+ GE (278K) = 1103K (579K for the rest) or ~66% of european's sales.

 

So these 3 combined makes for ~66% of Europe's sales.

 

In 2014 the PS4 sold 6053K in Europe.

UK (1261K)+ FR (845K) + GE (1065K) = 3171K (2882K for the rest) or ~52% of european's sales.

If those 3 combined made for ~66% of Europe's sales, the "rest" would have been around 1586K. So was the PS4 overtracked for almost 1.3M units. ?

Or, perhaps, I say perhaps, new systems don't sell well outside the big western european markets. Then perhaps, I say perhaps, these markets start to grow when the console is a sucess. And for the biggest sucesses, they made up for more than half of the european sales.

But let's have a complete chart.

 

2013 : UK (565K)+FR (260K)+ GE (278K) = 1103K (579K for the rest) or ~66% of european's sales.

2014 : UK (1261K)+ GE (1065K) + FR (845K) = 3171K (2882K for the rest) or ~52% of european's sales.

2015 : UK (1148K) + GE (1371K) + FR (1026K) = 3545K out of 6859K (3314K for the rest) or ~52% of the sales.

2016 : UK (942K) + GE(1203K) + FR (973K) = 3118K out of 6795K (3677K for the rest) or ~46% of the sales.

 

If those 3 combined made of ~52% of the sale, the rest would have been around 3272K. 400K overtracked ?

 

2017 : UK (1213K) + DE (1312K) +FR (1020K) = 3545K out of 8094K (4549K for the rest) or ~44% of the sales.

2018 : UK (1100K) + GE (1163K) + FR (959K) = 3222K out of 7469K (4247K for the rest) or ~43% of the sales.

 

Now the Switch

2017 : UK (737K) + GE (567K) + FR (911K) = 2215K out of 3404K (1189K for the rest) or ~65% of the sales. Similar to the PS4 in 2013.

2018 : UK (821K) + GE(691K) + FR (1131K) = 2643K out of 4742K (2099K for the rest) or ~56% of the sales. Similar to the PS4 in 2014.

 

Why would you expect the same shares every year ?

 

@KingofTrolls : I know, but is Russia tracked in "Europe" for VGC ?

Last edited by Alcyon - on 25 January 2019

Evilms said:

Finally, the sales of the XB1 is 41 million consoles.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-one-global-sales-at-41-million-digital-sale-ratio-far-higher-on-xbox-one-than-on-other-platforms.95535/

Is that sold or shipped?



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colafitte said:
zorg1000 said:

Switch did ~300k in 2017 so that's up about 30% YoY.

UK, France and Spain all up 20-30% YoY.

Oh thanks for that 2017 number. I was searching everywhere but i couldn't find it. So another big market in Europe in the 20-30% growth YOY then.

You could just have looked in the comments. By that however, 2017 Switch numbers were 340K as the total is apparently 730K



 

trunkswd said: 
Evilms said: 

Finally, the sales of the XB1 is 41 million consoles.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-one-global-sales-at-41-million-digital-sale-ratio-far-higher-on-xbox-one-than-on-other-platforms.95535/

Thank you for the information. While this figure isn't likely 100% accurate VGC clearly has the Xbox One overtracked. I will be making Xbox one adjustments to be more in line with this. 

No problem :)

Jranation said:
Evilms said:

Finally, the sales of the XB1 is 41 million consoles.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-one-global-sales-at-41-million-digital-sale-ratio-far-higher-on-xbox-one-than-on-other-platforms.95535/

Is that sold or shipped?

Since he's talking about the global installed base, so probably sold.



XD84 said:
raulbalarezo said:

Seems like PS4 was the best selling console worldwide in 2018, wont happen again in 2019 tho, but PS5 will dominate from 2021 forward

That is what everyone thought about the PS3 during the end of the PS2 era.

Videogames history has teached that things are unpredictable sometimes, though nobody is expecting from Sony the same kind of mistakes they did with PS3.  

 I'm expecting a very successful PS5, and a much more competitive XBox.   



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