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mZuzek said:

Both votes would move GTA V up in the ranking. The way it is right now, it's pretty simple and it is how it's been since the event started back in 2010 - someone puts a game at #6, the game gets 6 points; someone puts a game at #48, the game gets 48 points; someone doesn't list a game, it gets 60 points. The points are then added up, and that's it. (Lower points being better in this case, of course.)

I am considering something a bit more 'advanced', that would change how many points a vote is worth depending on how many votes a game already has - meaning that, for games that have several votes, the average score per vote would become more important compared to just the raw amount of votes. I'm not really sure how to do that, though, but more importantly for now, I'm not yet sure if I want to.

I like that idea. Should help to have a stronger Nintendo presence on the list.



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RolStoppable said:
mZuzek said:

Both votes would move GTA V up in the ranking. The way it is right now, it's pretty simple and it is how it's been since the event started back in 2010 - someone puts a game at #6, the game gets 6 points; someone puts a game at #48, the game gets 48 points; someone doesn't list a game, it gets 60 points. The points are then added up, and that's it. (Lower points being better in this case, of course.)

I am considering something a bit more 'advanced', that would change how many points a vote is worth depending on how many votes a game already has - meaning that, for games that have several votes, the average score per vote would become more important compared to just the raw amount of votes. I'm not really sure how to do that, though, but more importantly for now, I'm not yet sure if I want to.

I like that idea. Should help to have a stronger Nintendo presence on the list.

If it does, I'll have no problem switching back to the old format.



RolStoppable said:
mZuzek said:

Both votes would move GTA V up in the ranking. The way it is right now, it's pretty simple and it is how it's been since the event started back in 2010 - someone puts a game at #6, the game gets 6 points; someone puts a game at #48, the game gets 48 points; someone doesn't list a game, it gets 60 points. The points are then added up, and that's it. (Lower points being better in this case, of course.)

I am considering something a bit more 'advanced', that would change how many points a vote is worth depending on how many votes a game already has - meaning that, for games that have several votes, the average score per vote would become more important compared to just the raw amount of votes. I'm not really sure how to do that, though, but more importantly for now, I'm not yet sure if I want to.

I like that idea. Should help to have a stronger Nintendo presence on the list.

What do you mean a "stronger" Nintendo presence? The top ten is -exclusively- Nintendo, and quite nearly half of the top 100 are Nintendo first party. The only way it could have a stronger Nintendo presence at this point is if games were docked points for not appearing on a Nintendo platform.



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Azuren said:
RolStoppable said:

I like that idea. Should help to have a stronger Nintendo presence on the list.

What do you mean a "stronger" Nintendo presence? The top ten is -exclusively- Nintendo, and quite nearly half of the top 100 are Nintendo first party. The only way it could have a stronger Nintendo presence at this point is if games were docked points for not appearing on a Nintendo platform.

Indeed, there are already lots of Nintendo games on the list and that's because Nintendo games get lots of votes. If there was a bonus applied to games that get a lot of votes, it would favor Nintendo games because they are already the most voted for games to begin with.



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RolStoppable said:
Azuren said:

What do you mean a "stronger" Nintendo presence? The top ten is -exclusively- Nintendo, and quite nearly half of the top 100 are Nintendo first party. The only way it could have a stronger Nintendo presence at this point is if games were docked points for not appearing on a Nintendo platform.

Indeed, there are already lots of Nintendo games on the list and that's because Nintendo games get lots of votes. If there was a bonus applied to games that get a lot of votes, it would favor Nintendo games because they are already the most voted for games to begin with.

Well, then it would seem like a bonus would be a bad idea. Why would you like a bad idea?



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RolStoppable said:
Azuren said:

What do you mean a "stronger" Nintendo presence? The top ten is -exclusively- Nintendo, and quite nearly half of the top 100 are Nintendo first party. The only way it could have a stronger Nintendo presence at this point is if games were docked points for not appearing on a Nintendo platform.

Indeed, there are already lots of Nintendo games on the list and that's because Nintendo games get lots of votes. If there was a bonus applied to games that get a lot of votes, it would favor Nintendo games because they are already the most voted for games to begin with.

Yeah, that's not what I was suggesting at all. Either way, I'm not sure yet what I will do about it, if anything.



Azuren said:

Well, then it would seem like a bonus would be a bad idea. Why would you like a bad idea?

Because it is amusing that people get so upset over Nintendo games having a strong presence on the list despite being on a sales website where it's easy to look up that Nintendo games are very popular and where it's verifiable that a lot of people consider a Nintendo console worth the price for Nintendo games alone, hence why Nintendo has continued to be a console manufacturer even through dire times.

Nintendo is the publisher with the biggest presence on the list of best-selling games of all time, so Nintendo having the biggest presence on a list of favorite games of all time is a logical consequence, especially when you factor in that Nintendo produces games that age well which isn't the norm in the video game industry.

The strong Nintendo presence on this list has been criticized since the existence of this event and the most reasonable solution would be that people come to accept that Nintendo is the best game publisher overall. If people could accept that, we wouldn't have this problem.



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mZuzek said:
RolStoppable said:

Indeed, there are already lots of Nintendo games on the list and that's because Nintendo games get lots of votes. If there was a bonus applied to games that get a lot of votes, it would favor Nintendo games because they are already the most voted for games to begin with.

Yeah, that's not what I was suggesting at all. Either way, I'm not sure yet what I will do about it, if anything.

Okay, it wasn't really clear what you were suggesting.

In any case, the current system is fine because it's rigged against games with a low amount of votes. You said that any game without a vote receives 60 points from the given user, so that's a fine way to penalize less popular games.

Don't think about turning the points system upside down. If you gave the #1 50 points, #2 49 points etc., then you wouldn't penalize a game for getting no vote at all from someone. Naturally, the game with the highest points total would be #1 on the overall list.



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RolStoppable said:
mZuzek said:

Yeah, that's not what I was suggesting at all. Either way, I'm not sure yet what I will do about it, if anything.

Okay, it wasn't really clear what you were suggesting.

In any case, the current system is fine because it's rigged against games with a low amount of votes. You said that any game without a vote receives 60 points from the given user, so that's a fine way to penalize less popular games.

Don't think about turning the points system upside down. If you gave the #1 50 points, #2 49 points etc., then you wouldn't penalize a game for getting no vote at all from someone. Naturally, the game with the highest points total would be #1 on the overall list.

That's not what I was planning either, but that system wouldn't be any different from the current one as long as unvoted games got -9 points. It's only done the way it is now because it's a lot simpler to compile the data.

What I'm thinking is something like... basically, the more votes a game has, the less each individual vote counts - so at the higher ends of the ranking, the average rank of each vote would matter more than the amount of votes a game gets. I'm probably going to have to apply a similar system for something else I'm planning on doing, but I'm not sure if it's the perfect or the worst time to implement a change on the final results.

You say it's always been an issue, but I've been here since 2014 and nah, it was never as Nintendo-heavy as it's been in the last few years. 2018 was thankfully slightly less Nintendo-centric than 2017, which had Mario Kart 8 at #5 (disgusting), but still pretty bad. It's obvious that Nintendo will always have a heavy presence in such lists, but it's been too much, and it's clear that games such as Mario Kart 8 only make it as high as they do because it's basically everyone's go-to Mario Kart game to list, so it gets loads of votes but rarely does it make it to anyone's individual top 10. It's just not as impactful of a game to most people, but it is one that's almost universally liked, and it's okay for the results to prioritize that, but it's making the list increasingly predictable and boring... and most importantly, alienating to some people.

To use an example of a game I personally love, Hollow Knight nearly made it into my top 5, but it hasn't made it even into the overall top 100, which boasts 13 Mario games (including MK), 9 Zelda games and 6 Pokémon games. That's alienating - that the list favors Nintendo games so heavily while your favorites might not have a shot at making it anywhere near the top. In fact, if you compare score averages, Hollow Knight averaged a 14th place among the 5 lists it was in, whereas Mario Kart 8 averaged roughly 20th place; but Hollow Knight is 101st on the overall results, while Mario Kart sits in 7th place. I'm not saying it can't work that way, but it is something to think about.



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