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Great job on this!

I'm a bit disappointed by the extent of the Nintendomination of this, still as a Nintendo fan. As much as I love Mario Kart 8, I don't think it belongs at the 7th spot. Both Galaxies being represented in the two twenty is nice, though.

Metal Gear Solid 3 got snubbed,



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This list is ridiculously Nintendo-centric. In some sense, it is interesting to look through. But, it certainly cannot be taken as a serious ranking of the greatest games ever made.



Oh, hey. Long time no see.

I was just checking this thread the other day, actually, because I was looking through some stuff to prepare for the 10th event this year. I do hope I can get as many people to join in as possible this year, because that's the only way the final list will show more variety.



mZuzek said:
Oh, hey. Long time no see.

I was just checking this thread the other day, actually, because I was looking through some stuff to prepare for the 10th event this year. I do hope I can get as many people to join in as possible this year, because that's the only way the final list will show more variety.

You can count on my participation. I'll make sure to have variety on my list, be it platformers, action-adventures, RPGs, racing games, hack and slash or whatever else.



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VAMatt said:
This list is ridiculously Nintendo-centric. In some sense, it is interesting to look through. But, it certainly cannot be taken as a serious ranking of the greatest games ever made.

Looking at the games in the Top 100, most have under 10 votes total which means it wouldn't be too hard to make the list more diverse if a couple more Playstation leaning users submitted their lists.



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TruckOSaurus said:
VAMatt said:
This list is ridiculously Nintendo-centric. In some sense, it is interesting to look through. But, it certainly cannot be taken as a serious ranking of the greatest games ever made.

Looking at the games in the Top 100, most have under 10 votes total which means it wouldn't be too hard to make the list more diverse if a couple more Playstation leaning users submitted their lists.

Of course, it's not just about the amount of votes, but the value of each vote too - for example, while Metroid: Zero Mission is at #83 with 10 votes, Final Fantasy VIII made it to #74 with only 5.

Ultimately, though, the beauty of this event in my opinion is in sharing our own opinions about the games each of us love. What matters most to me is each person's individual list, and it bothers me that there are people (RolStoppable) who would specifically design their lists to affect the end results. But, oh well.

Obviously this shouldn't be taken as a serious ranking of the greatest games ever made. It's a reflection of the current state of the VGC community, and which fanbases are more active in it. That said, I'm not sure any "greatest games ever" ranking can be taken seriously at all, because objectivity doesn't really exist.



mZuzek said:

"What matters most to me is each person's individual list, and it bothers me that there are people (RolStoppable) who would specifically design their lists to affect the end results. But, oh well"

Just don't accept the list.



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Barkley said:
mZuzek said:

What matters most to me is each person's individual list, and it bothers me that there are people (RolStoppable) who would specifically design their lists to affect the end results. But, oh well.

Just don't accept the list.

Unfortunately, that's really out of consideration. For one, because it could lead to unending subjective arguments over whose list is or isn't an attempt at manipulating the final results (Rol's admittedly is, but anyone else's is another matter entirely). And for another, because regardless of intention, this is supposed to be a celebration of the VGC community and everyone should be allowed in it.

That second point is mostly what's keeping me from thinking up a new formula to decide the final results - since everyone is supposed to matter equally, I like to keep the point tallies simple and objective. But I am considering a new formula, yeah.



No list is 100% objective, but if you look at actual game sales, Nintendo games tend to sell a whole lot. Like they basically dominate in the top 50 best selling games of all time. Now consider that this site is really console-centric instead of PC-centric (and forget about arcade games), and that weights things toward Nintendo even more.

Of course, I am also not sure how "the formula" works. What you might do is consider how "the formula" might be biased against multi-platform games. If one person says GTA V on PC only and another on PS4 only, then does that help GTA V move up in the ranking twice or once? That sort of thing.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
No list is 100% objective, but if you look at actual game sales, Nintendo games tend to sell a whole lot. Like they basically dominate in the top 50 best selling games of all time. Now consider that this site is really console-centric instead of PC-centric (and forget about arcade games), and that weights things toward Nintendo even more.

Of course, I am also not sure how "the formula" works. What you might do is consider how "the formula" might be biased against multi-platform games. If one person says GTA V on PC only and another on PS4 only, then does that help GTA V move up in the ranking twice or once? That sort of thing.

Both votes would move GTA V up in the ranking. The way it is right now, it's pretty simple and it is how it's been since the event started back in 2010 - someone puts a game at #6, the game gets 6 points; someone puts a game at #48, the game gets 48 points; someone doesn't list a game, it gets 60 points. The points are then added up, and that's it. (Lower points being better in this case, of course.)

I am considering something a bit more 'advanced', that would change how many points a vote is worth depending on how many votes a game already has - meaning that, for games that have several votes, the average score per vote would become more important compared to just the raw amount of votes. I'm not really sure how to do that, though, but more importantly for now, I'm not yet sure if I want to.