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GameXplain: 10 Lessons that 2D Mario can learn from Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iORdCuz2vtE

1. Too much downtime.
2. Make every level distinct.
3. Have a better soundtrack.
4. Context.
5. Characters with personality
6. Have a level of Surprise within levels
7. Have narrative within the levels
8. Give better controls
9. Have better rewards
10. Better artstyle

You'll have to watch the video to hear the explanations for each

This video is so spot on about NSMBU, its infinitely inferior to Tropical Freeze. The level design, atmosphere, character, music, basically everything is better in Tropical Freeze. the only thing NSMBU does better is mutliplayer. I hope Nintendo will look at Tropical freeze when making the next Mario to help advance this series. Level designs are feeling bland, the art style is dated, basically the series is in urgent need for a revamp.

What do you guys think about the suggestions in the video and how to improve the 2D mario series



     

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I really should rebuy Tropical Freeze for the Switch someday. Truly amazing title.

When he mentioned multiplayer for a Mario merit, even that is questionable. Why? One of the several reasons Tropical Freeze destroys NSMBU is because it was designed as a single-player game from the get-go. 2D Mario won't ever be top tier level so long as it remains a multiplayer game.

Last edited by morenoingrato - on 14 January 2019

morenoingrato said:

I really should rebuy Tropical Freeze for the Switch someday. Truly amazing title.

When he mentioned multiplayer for a Mario merit, even that is questionable. Why? One of the several reasons Tropical Freeze destroys NSMBU is because it was designed as a single-player game from the get-go. 2D Mario won't ever be top tier level so long as it remains a multiplayer game.

Since DK does let you do 2 people, technically Mario can be said 'does it better.'  Even NSMBU has a few levels that were specially designed for only 1 person and don't work with multiplayer. I played DK only in multiplayer and I'd say its perfect the way it is, your friend won't be able to do some sections, but thats fine. I wouldn't change it to be more multiplayer friendly.



     

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I mean, design philosophies for both games are different, sure 2D Mario games could learn a few more things from it's brothers but technically, he's almost asking for Mario to become a DK Clone.



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I've been saying this since DKCR showed up NSMBWii nearly a decade ago.

NSMBU is just an abominably bland, lazy, unimaginative game. From its copy-paste assets and level themes, to its ear-bleeding music, its a showcase of how lazy Nintendo can be when they know they can get away with it. The fact its being sold again in 2019 for full price is just disgusting.



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cycycychris said:
morenoingrato said:

I really should rebuy Tropical Freeze for the Switch someday. Truly amazing title.

When he mentioned multiplayer for a Mario merit, even that is questionable. Why? One of the several reasons Tropical Freeze destroys NSMBU is because it was designed as a single-player game from the get-go. 2D Mario won't ever be top tier level so long as it remains a multiplayer game.

Since DK does let you do 2 people, technically Mario can be said 'does it better.'  Even NSMBU has a few levels that were specially designed for only 1 person and don't work with multiplayer. I played DK only in multiplayer and I'd say its perfect the way it is, your friend won't be able to do some sections, but thats fine. I wouldn't change it to be more multiplayer friendly.

My point was more that it was a questionable merit to have. The multiplayer is what holds NSMB back.



Modern 2D Mario doesn't really need to learn anything, it just needs to be priced at a lower price.



Metallox said:
Modern 2D Mario doesn't really need to learn anything, it just needs to be priced at a lower price.

Well I'd like it to take some lessons from better platforms like DKC Tropical Freeze.



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Mar1217 said:
I mean, design philosophies for both games are different, sure 2D Mario games could learn a few more things from it's brothers but technically, he's almost asking for Mario to become a DK Clone.

I wouldn't exactly say he's asking for Mario to become a clone of DK. Its more comparing the 2 together and looking at how they differ. Like with his points of each level being distinct from the other, Mario heavily lacks that. Or that soundtrack being so much more inferior in Mario. How well the levels in DK flow, their superior design, and overall story they tell. How vibrant and eye catching the art style and atmosphere is in DK. Mario can still be Mario, even with adapting to these strengths from DK (with a mario twist on them; within the mario universe). The 'New' series is like on its like 5th game that have been very similar to each other, I won't say its out of reach for fans to start looking at other series and point out how much they do this old formula better.



     

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curl-6 said:

I've been saying this since DKCR showed up NSMBWii nearly a decade ago.

NSMBU is just an abominably bland, lazy, unimaginative game. From its copy-paste assets and level themes, to its ear-bleeding music, its a showcase of how lazy Nintendo can be when they know they can get away with it. The fact its being sold again in 2019 for full price is just disgusting.

I guess in terms of fan reception and lasting impact, you may have a point.

But it's kinda hard to say "showed up" when the Metacritic scores are similar and the sales are...still in NSMBWii's advantage even without the bundles.

I get people have issue with the pricing (like they did with DKTF, Bayonetta 1 and 2, Pokken DX, among other Wii U ports). But if it sells, Nintendo will continue releasing those ports at full price. Of course, people will say its Mario so it'll sell well anyway when there have been examples that shows it's not always the case.