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I prefer film in...

24 fps. 28 62.22%
 
30 fps. 3 6.67%
 
48 fps. 4 8.89%
 
60 fps. 4 8.89%
 
North of 60.... 3 6.67%
 
Any/indifferent/comments/middle America. 3 6.67%
 
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Darwinianevolution said:
Don't quote me on this, but isn't 24 fps the minimum required for the human brain to interpret motion, and not just a series of still images?

source? 



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Darwinianevolution said:
Don't quote me on this, but isn't 24 fps the minimum required for the human brain to interpret motion, and not just a series of still images?

source? 

https://bid.berkeley.edu/cs160-fall12/index.php/Human_Information_Processing

Though here it says it's 20 fps. Again, not an expert on this, so take everything with a pinch of salt.



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Darwinianevolution said:
Don't quote me on this, but isn't 24 fps the minimum required for the human brain to interpret motion, and not just a series of still images?

source? 

He said don't quote me you idiot!



Vinyl is far superior to pretty much every digital format. As long as you keep it clean and don't cheap out on your amp and player. The reason why Vinyl went away was because its highly unpractical. Comparing Vinyl to MP3 is like comparing 8k to 480p.

High res Flac, CD are pretty decent (720 to 1080p) and DSD is actually great (4K) but most of those are also formats from the past which where mastered way better in their time, than music is mastered nowadays. Progression doesn't always mean better quality. Which is why blu ray almost always looks (and sounds) way better than streamed 4k.

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Darwinianevolution said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

source? 

https://bid.berkeley.edu/cs160-fall12/index.php/Human_Information_Processing

Though here it says it's 20 fps. Again, not an expert on this, so take everything with a pinch of salt.

Yeah, I figured that it was a tad below 24 fps. I've played a few games on PC that have gone to below 24 but still show up as a consistent range of motion, albeit very slow. Yeah ... once you get to the 10s it gets so laggy and choppy. 



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People were fine with 24fps for a century, on huge screens with 4K resolution (35mm). The trick, you perceive smoother motion at lower light levels. A movie theater screen is calibrated at 14 fL with no ambient light. That's 48 nits. TVs before HDR would already be in the 150 nit range in a daylight setting. Now with HDR they can go up to 1000 nits. The other trick is to show each frame twice, 35mm film runs at 48hz. 48 black frames in between to trick your mind into believing it's smoother than it is. TVs don't do this, they simply show 24fps without any back in between, (Perhaps some tvs have proper 24p display modes nowadays, I don't know)

I noticed the effect myself a lot while switching between my 1080p projector (at 15 fL) and 1080p tv (at 40 fL). Movies look a lot more smooth on the much larger screen, due to the lower brightness. Turn HDR off, the lights off, and lower the brightness to get a smoother picture.

The movie industry is all made around 24fps. Lighting, motion guidelines, everything is calibrated for 24fps. That's why the 48fps version of the hobbit look so unreal. The lighting did not fit the frame rate.

Anyway it doesn't really matter to me. You get used to the frame rate after a couple minutes. There are much bigger problems with modern movies. Too much cgi, lens flare, shaky cam, tacky color filters, bad lighting, too much action, too many one liners, crap story.



Films have been produced in two dimensions and at 24fps for over a century now. No reason why that needs to change anytime soon.

On a less luddite-sounding note, increasing the standard frame rate to 48fps would double the workload (and thereby cost) of visual effects.



CGI-Quality said:
Chrizum said:

He said don't quote me you idiot!



24fps doesn't look any different in 4K than it did at 1080p. What kind of TV do you have? I'd check your judder settings.

I'm an Assistant Editor on the reality TV side. Depending on the series, we shoot in 23.976, 29.97, and 59.98. 23.976 still looks best to my eyes.



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Chrizum said:

It isn't the nicest language, but I can let it slide if you promise to kiss and make up! ;P

*Chrizum violently french kisses AngryLittleAlchemists's left ear