KingofTrolls said:
All the trails leads to Navi/Vega in next gens what is good enough. i dont believe it was just a coincidence that Phil announecs collab on next Xbox at the VII presentation. Basically, it is Vega on 7nm, what is what next gens will have to, and Vega was never planned to hit 7nm, Navi was, so...
Navi, is rumored to be developed with close collab with Sony. AMD has rich story with semi-custom things.
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Oh dear God.
There was a booth during an Xbox One X leak ages ago... Where AMD was using Ryzen... And people thought the Xbox One X was going to be Ryzen powered.
Just because there was a collaboration announcement between Microsoft and AMD... Doesn't mean that the next Xbox is going to be using outdated Vega technology.
Die-shrinks also do not happen overnight, obviously things have changed since AMD's last released product roadmap, but if you think it was an overnight decision to have Vega at 7nm... Then I am not sure what to tell you.
shikamaru317 said:
AMD does try a bit harder on the low-mid range though, Polaris for instance. When Polaris released, it's top of the line chipset, RX 480, roughly traded blows with Nvidia's 1060 in performance, beating the 1060 in games that were optimized for AMD cards and losing to it in games that were optimized for Nvidia GPU's (RX 480 also won on Vulkan games like Doom). And the best thing was the Rx 480 could usually be found for lower prices than the 1060, sometimes as much as $50 lower.
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Polaris was okay. It wasn't great.
AMD could have probably named it something more fitting... I.E. The Radeon RX 480 could have been a RX 460 or something.
It's a mid-range part... AMD needed to offer something better.
CGI-Quality said:
If you were talking Titans vs an AMD equivalent, then yeah, I'd probably agree, even as a Titan buyer.
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AMD's answer to Titan was actually Fury. - Obviously that didn't reach the required heights.
Fury's successor is of course... Vega 64. - Which also didn't hit the required heights.
AMD right now doesn't have an answer in the high-end, but that has been that way for what feels like half a decade now.
shikamaru317 said:
KingofTrolls said:
One link, please? I kinda did a research and "concrete GPU " if this is just normal GPUs, are in decline in sales.
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Yeah, I just checked the December 2018 Steam Hardware survey, and the 780, 980, 980m, 980ti, 1080, 1080 ti, and 2080 add up to just 6.21% of GPU's used by gamers on Steam. Titan V, Titan RTX, Titan X, Titan XP, 2080ti, and Vega 64 percentages are too low to even show up on Steam, so we're talking less than 0.15% on each of those models. It's clear to me why AMD just doesn't care about competing at the high end anymore when the total high-end marketshare across multiple generations of models from AMD and Nvidia is less than 10%.
That being said, AMD does need to try harder on mid-high end, the combined marketshare for Nvidia's "70" tier models, 1070 ti, 1070, 970, 770, 970m, and 2070 is 9.42%, while AMD's current marketshare in that mid-high end tier is less than 1%, and their most recent mid-high end chipset, the Vega 56, is at less than 0.15%, too low to even show up on the Steam Hardware survey.
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The point of their existence isn't to shift extreme volumes... They are Halo products.
It's no coincidence that since AMD has not had a decisive high-end GPU in years that their Marketshare has been in serious decline... People forget that at one point Radeon had almost 60% of discreet GPU sales at it's height... Now it's 20% or less of the market.
Besides, high-end products generally have higher profit margins to accompany their performance, which makes up for smaller sales... (Outside of Cryptocurrency booms of course.)
freebs2 said:
As for PS3, the reason why the GPU was weaker is mostly due to the fact that until the later stages of HDW development Sony planned to use the Cell to render games instead of a regular GPU. The RSX was inferior simply because it was engeneered on a short notice.
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Nah.