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Cerebralbore101 said:
Mr_No said:
He died because of our sins, simple as that.

But I knew this thread would only devolve on jokes or "he did not exist", completely deviating from the topic at hand, like all other threads with religious topics...

As it deserves to. The thread title is a rigged question to begin with. Its like asking somebody why they beat their wife (despite the fact that they don't). 

Yeah true,it looks like the OP mildly used it as an offensive against nonbelievers.



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All praise Odin.



Jesus was an honorable man with the knowledge of the Secret teachings from sumer and Egypt. He got that knowledge from the Magi of the east which were originaly 12 but only 3 of Them come to find Jesus and Bless him with the Secret teachings of Osiris but thats another Story.

The Church itself is nothing more as a liying Killing psychopathic organization. This counts for catholics and protestants alike. Since when does god need money? Jesus Said its easier to cure a persons Body as the persons mind. When is the Last Time a Priester healed anyones cancer? They are Scharlatans Using Jesus Name to spit on Master jesus. Day by day. Since 2000 years. Disgusting.



Cerebralbore101 said:
Chris Hu said:

Nope, there is zero evidence that Jesus ever existed.  Of course if you believe in some or even most of the ancient myth and fair tales in the book that also contains Jesus then its pretty easy to convince yourself that he actually existed.  With most historical real people from the past there are numerous sources of evidence that they actually existed. 

That isn't a rebuttal though. I keep giving you evidence that he existed, and you keep simply stating that there is no evidence, without dealing with what I actually said. 

I don't think the evidence is very strong.  I don't believe that Paul necessarily met the birth brother of Jesus.  It may have been the case that James was his birth brother, but the word brother (or its translation) is also used in other contexts, like a follower or close friend.  

As for Josephus, he was born in 37 AD, so he wouldn't have been an eye witness and there is speculation that the passages on Jesus may have been later interpolations.  I really don't have the scholarship to address that, but it's not a fringe view.

Overall, the evidence is very limited.  I tend to side with historicity, because it honestly doesn't matter too much to my beliefs, and I think arguing his non-existence is more difficult than addressing the way more obvious flaws.  But I would tenuously agree that there is no good evidence.

Mr_No said:
He died because of our sins, simple as that.

But I knew this thread would only devolve on jokes or "he did not exist", completely deviating from the topic at hand, like all other threads with religious topics...

It's not deviating from the topic at hand.  It is directly addressing it.  For a claim with no evidence "that didn't happen" is a perfectly valid response.  For a ridiculous claim ridicule is appropriate. 



JWeinCom said:

As for Josephus, he was born in 37 AD, so he wouldn't have been an eye witness and there is speculation that the passages on Jesus may have been later interpolations.  I really don't have the scholarship to address that, but it's not a fringe view.

All Scholars agree that "the Jesus text" in Josephus people still use as proof is a later christian addition/forgery and was not in the original text. There is no argument or speculation about that. Also there are several Jesuses mentioned in various parts of the original texts, none of which match "the" Jesus. Whether Jesus actually existed at all is open to debate. A luxury we actually have in the Christian world. Try that with Mohammed and the Quran in the Islamic world.....



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Flilix said:
S.Peelman said:
It was pointless. He was assuming the worst in people, but, sucks for him because I’m not commited any sins!

You have commited the worst of all sins. Bad grammar!

This is true. Thank God for Jesus then I guess.



It was a hobby.
He died doing what he wanted to do.
I've no plans of loving, or seeking Jesus.



drkohler said:
JWeinCom said:

As for Josephus, he was born in 37 AD, so he wouldn't have been an eye witness and there is speculation that the passages on Jesus may have been later interpolations.  I really don't have the scholarship to address that, but it's not a fringe view.

All Scholars agree that "the Jesus text" in Josephus people still use as proof is a later christian addition/forgery and was not in the original text. There is no argument or speculation about that. Also there are several Jesuses mentioned in various parts of the original texts, none of which match "the" Jesus. Whether Jesus actually existed at all is open to debate. A luxury we actually have in the Christian world. Try that with Mohammed and the Quran in the Islamic world.....

I think the belief is that there was some part in the original that was vastly expanded upon later by early christians.  Again, I'm not a scholar, so I'm not able to really speak to this.



drkohler said:

Whether Jesus actually existed at all is open to debate. A luxury we actually have in the Christian world. Try that with Mohammed and the Quran in the Islamic world.....

A luxury we have in the western world. It has nothing to do with Christianity; when Christianity had power in the west the same way Islam currently has in the middle east, Christianity was just as intolerant of such "debate." We have achieved the luxurious position of being able to debate such things, in large part, via secularization.

As to whether Jesus actually existed, I don't see how it really matters. Let's say that he did (and it's not hard to imagine such an itinerant preacher at that time, crucified by the Romans, etc.). So what then? It doesn't make his supposed resurrection or miracles any more likely; it doesn't make Christian morality any more palatable; it doesn't make the doctrine of the Trinity any more comprehensible; and so on.

There are a thousand good reasons not to be Christian, whether or not Christ himself ever existed.



Jesus brought a lot of kindness to the world. But I have come to realize, that the culture of sacrificing an innocent person for all the others could be erroneous.

Almost everything he taught was great. But the whole sacrifice thing comes from the concept of sun God, which is probably the only reason the status quo has kept him at the front of such an important religion.. I wouldn't be surprised if the real Jesus didn't think much of his sun God sacrifice, and instead wanted to focus on all the other stuff that he taught.

I think we need to emphasize the good things that he did, and brush off the sacrifice part. Because it's obviously to me, a catch..