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MrWayne said:
I don't believe in god or that Jesus was his son (note I'm also not an atheist) but the New Testament is remarkably progressive for a book written 2000 years ago and there are many different and interresting readings of it.

Please define the word 'atheist'.



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aiwass said:
MrWayne said:
I don't believe in god or that Jesus was his son (note I'm also not an atheist) but the New Testament is remarkably progressive for a book written 2000 years ago and there are many different and interresting readings of it.

Please define the word 'atheist'.

We are all atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you. 



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shikamaru317 said:
He was truly remarkable. Few, if any other people on this planet would have sacrificed their lives for the salvation of countless future generations, and went down into the depths of hell in order to get the keys to death and to offer salvation to all of those who went to hell before him.

any scientific proof any of that is real? nope



he didn't sacrifice himself. he got arrested and crucified for talking trash about those in power and trying to spread propaganda. no scientific proof at all he had wizard powers or came back to life.



ResilientFighter said:
he didn't sacrifice himself. he got arrested and crucified for talking trash about those in power and trying to spread propaganda. no scientific proof at all he had wizard powers or came back to life.

On top of all that there is no actual proof that he ever existed in the first place.



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Have the reasons changed since the last time this popped up lol?



 

 

Chris Hu said:
ResilientFighter said:
he didn't sacrifice himself. he got arrested and crucified for talking trash about those in power and trying to spread propaganda. no scientific proof at all he had wizard powers or came back to life.

On top of all that there is no actual proof that he ever existed in the first place.

Well there is Josephus. People argued that Josephus was interpolated (added to by another author). Out of this two theories came about. The first one was that the entire part of Josephus which mentions Jesus was added in by a Christian around 300 CE. The second theory was that the part of Josephus which mentions Jesus was only partially interpolated. A few years ago an Islamic copy of Josephus was found, and it matched what scholars had theorized a partially interpolated Josephus would look like, if unaltered. So there is good evidence he existed. As for absolute proof, there's no absolute proof for many things in history. Can we prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Caesar was stabbed to death? Nope. We have to rely on the reports of others. How about that Alexander died of an illness and not in battle? Again, no. Or can we prove that Oda Nobunaga led armies. Nope. Again, we have to rely on what people in the past are telling us, and there's always the chance no matter how small that they are lying or mistaken. 



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Chris Hu said:

On top of all that there is no actual proof that he ever existed in the first place.

Well there is Josephus. People argued that Josephus was interpolated (added to by another author). Out of this two theories came about. The first one was that the entire part of Josephus which mentions Jesus was added in by a Christian around 300 CE. The second theory was that the part of Josephus which mentions Jesus was only partially interpolated. A few years ago an Islamic copy of Josephus was found, and it matched what scholars had theorized a partially interpolated Josephus would look like, if unaltered. So there is good evidence he existed. As for absolute proof, there's no absolute proof for many things in history. Can we prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Caesar was stabbed to death? Nope. We have to rely on the reports of others. How about that Alexander died of an illness and not in battle? Again, no. Or can we prove that Oda Nobunaga led armies. Nope. Again, we have to rely on what people in the past are telling us, and there's always the chance no matter how small that they are lying or mistaken. 

There is zero evidence that he existed there are no first person accounts of any of his actions while he was alive.



Chris Hu said:

There is zero evidence that he existed there are no first person accounts of any of his actions while he was alive.

There is good evidence that he existed. Just not proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. Josephus is one such piece of evidence. Paul never knew Jesus but met Jesus' birth brother. And that alone is equal in evidence to a first person account of Jesus. If we know somebody's brother existed, then we know that somebody also existed as well. Finally, we have Tacitus a Roman Senator and Historian saying that Jesus existed, and was killed. 

Now what about evidence for Jesus Mythicism? There isn't any. It's all speculation, and theory. 

So even though the evidence isn't an absolute slam dunk of irrefutable proof, I have to side with Jesus being a historical figure. Few things in history are ever proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. For that we would need archaeology. But most of history relies on the written word. 



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