Chris Hu said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
So you don't think that the three Josephus passages, the Tacitus passage, or Paul's letter are good evidence? Why not?
Any Seth Andrews videos you would like me to watch? Point them out, and I'll watch them.
I'm an Atheist, but I think that Jesus Mythicism is almost as intellectually devoid as young earth creationism. Almost.
Earl Doherty (the guy who originally put forth the Christ-Myth theory) doesn't have an actual degree in history as far as I can tell. He claims to have a degree in history, but when asked for proof, he dances around the subject.
Richard Carrier (another Mythicist) doesn't have a degree in history either.
Nearly all ancient historians and bible scholars agree that Jesus was a historical person.
I mean, trust me man, if there were real evidence pointing to Jesus just being a myth, I'd jump all over it. I'd absolutely love to have such ammo to throw in the faces of proselytizerslike the OP of this thread. But sadly it isn't so. All the evidence points towards Jesus having existed. But I promise I'll watch any videos you link to, and keep an open mind.
Bart Erhman
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Nope none of the evidence points towards Jesus having existed. Nothing written about Jesus was written during his lifetime. Everything written about Jesus was written by people that actually didn't know Jesus. And if Jesus really was this awesome miracle worker as described in the New Testament somebody would have wrote something about him during his lifetime.
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Josephus and Tacitus were almost certainly working from official government documents, which would have been written during Jesus' lifetime. Paul never met Jesus but he knew Jesus' literal brother as well as many of the original Apostles. So did all of the apostles that Paul met, just up and lie to him about how they spent a large portion of their lives with Jesus? Keep in mind that the Apostles Paul met were not the authors of the Gospels. The Gospels were written pseudoanonymously in their names.
And if Jesus really was this awesome miracle worker as described in the New Testament somebody would have wrote something about him during his lifetime.
True. But that just means he wasn't an awesome miracle worker. Not that he never even existed. He was just a man teaching parables out in a dusty corner of the Roman Empire. His followers were fanatics and made up a bunch of junk about him to the point that we'll never truly know what the real man was like. Some scholars have gone as far as to deconstruct the Gospels, finding a book within them that predates Mark. Said book only contains saying of Jesus, and no miracle stuff. It is called the book of Q, but scholars argue over whether it truly existed, or whether Mark, Luke, and Mathew's authors just copied most of Mark. But it is pretty interesting. Just a little side note I guess.