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Peh said:
TranceformerFX said:
Jesus Christ of Nazarath wasn't a real person. He's a complete work of fiction; as well as the Bible. Jesus Christ and everything about him was a Christian reinterpretation of the Egyptian Sun God, Horus.

Being born on December 25th, virgin birth, walking on water, 12 disciples, crucifixion, resurrection...all of it to be credited to Horus. Jesus Christ is just a plagiarization of Egyptian mythology...

You shouldn't take the movie Zeitgeist / Religolous as a source. That part is completely made up.

Christians also don't believe he was actually born on December 25th, FWIW.



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Peh said:
TranceformerFX said:
Jesus Christ of Nazarath wasn't a real person. He's a complete work of fiction; as well as the Bible. Jesus Christ and everything about him was a Christian reinterpretation of the Egyptian Sun God, Horus.

Being born on December 25th, virgin birth, walking on water, 12 disciples, crucifixion, resurrection...all of it to be credited to Horus. Jesus Christ is just a plagiarization of Egyptian mythology...

You shouldn't take the movie Zeitgeist / Religolous as a source. That part is completely made up.

So is Jesus Christ.



*Person creates a post about a topic that isn't even covered on the site*
*Atheists and opposers of said idea argue against it*
*Defenders come out of nowhere and cry about how these religious threads are always "derailed"*

Really?

This is VGChartz, not ChristianCenter.com. People are allowed to argue with things said in the OP, or the basis of them, it's not like this site was set up as a safe space for particular religions.



Because the god you worship is a god of death that demands human sacrifice.



JustcallmeRiff said:
Because the god you worship is a god of death that demands human sacrifice.

Are you referring to the Aztec religion? 



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0D0 said:
To all those asking for scientific proof:

Well science said that butter is bad for us, then everybody went to margarine and them science said that butter is better than margarine and then margarine is the real problem.

Science said animal fat was bad, industry food went to vegetal fat, everybody got heart diseases and heart attacks for decades, then science found out that animal fat vs vegetal fat is not that simple and that animal fat can actually be better, like butter.

Science said that eggs are bad to our hearts, then it's not, science says it's actually good, because they found out stuff that they haven't found out before.

Science said that coffee is bad, now it's not so bad.

Science can't make up its mind about Wine.

Science said that the world would go to a new ice age. Then global warming. It didn't work very well. Now it's climate change (neigher very hot nor very cold). Tomorrow is gonna be something else.

Science thought that diseases were cause by lots of things. Doctors used to perform surgeries with bare dirty hands. Then they found out that bacteria exist. They didn't know before that bacteria exist. They know now. It exists.

Science said that the black race was inferior to white race. The overall non Western race was underdeveloped. It was taught on many universities. Then it became racism, DNA came out and such. Science knows now that it was all nonsense.

What science knew yesterday or never knew, they know today, or doesn't, they can change their minds. They can see today things that they didn't see and in the future they'll see things that they don't today.

The problem with the food examples you give, comes from journalists, jumping at every chance of a story. They would often read a single study, and then proceed to write up an article for whatever magazine, or newspaper they worked for.  In reality scientists never agreed that butter, or eggs, or animal fat, or coffee was bad for us. They continue to do it to this day, much to the annoyance of actual scientists.

Science never said that the world would go into a new ice age. Can you provide a source for this claim? Climate change doesn't mean neither hot nor very cold. It means change, and scientists still say the earth is getting hotter. 

As for the disease example; Yes, that's how science works. We didn't know about something, then made a discovery, and corrected ourselves. That is how science works. 

Evolutionary theory never promoted racism. People at the time simply assumed that non-whites must be lower on the evolutionary ladder, without doing any actual research into the matter. And once actual research was done it showed that assumption to be horribly wrong. 

Just to be clear, I'm not asking for scientific proof. If you were to produce writings by three or four roman senators, alive at the time, all saying that Jesus resurrected from the grave I would believe it. If you could produce an ancient Korean text that talked about how Jesus visited the Koreans and told them all about his exploits in the Roman empire, I would accept that as evidence as well.

Sadly, there is no good evidence that Jesus resurrected from the grave. If you point to the Gospels, I will explain how the Gospel writers were deceptive, and how modern scholars have caught them in their deceit. I will explain how we know that the Gospels were not written by Mark, Mathew, Luke, or John. 



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Chris Hu said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

That isn't a rebuttal though. I keep giving you evidence that he existed, and you keep simply stating that there is no evidence, without dealing with what I actually said. 

Did I miss something here you didn't present any decent evidence of Jesus existence to me.  The overwhelming evidence brought fourth in the last 20 years all supports the fact that Jesus never existed or at best he was just some regular guy that got turned into a legend after his death.  Anyway if you want some deep insides of how flawed Christianity is I'm not the guy to asked since I never considered myself to be true believer anyway I always believed that the Bible is nothing more then a loose collection of myth and fair tales and not a very good one either since it borrowed many of its myth from other religions.  I suggest you watch some videos from Seth Andrews.

So you don't think that the three Josephus passages, the Tacitus passage, or Paul's letter are good evidence? Why not? 

Any Seth Andrews videos you would like me to watch? Point them out, and I'll watch them. 

I'm an Atheist, but I think that Jesus Mythicism is almost as intellectually devoid as young earth creationism. Almost

Earl Doherty (the guy who originally put forth the Christ-Myth theory) doesn't have an actual degree in history as far as I can tell. He claims to have a degree in history, but when asked for proof, he dances around the subject. 

Richard Carrier (another Mythicist) doesn't have a degree in history either. 

Nearly all ancient historians and bible scholars agree that Jesus was a historical person. 

I mean, trust me man, if there were real evidence pointing to Jesus just being a myth, I'd jump all over it. I'd absolutely love to have such ammo to throw in the faces of proselytizerslike the OP of this thread. But sadly it isn't so. All the evidence points towards Jesus having existed. But I promise I'll watch any videos you link to, and keep an open mind. 

Bart Erhman 



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TranceformerFX said:
Jesus Christ of Nazarath wasn't a real person. He's a complete work of fiction; as well as the Bible. Jesus Christ and everything about him was a Christian reinterpretation of the Egyptian Sun God, Horus.

Being born on December 25th, virgin birth, walking on water, 12 disciples, crucifixion, resurrection...all of it to be credited to Horus. Jesus Christ is just a plagiarization of Egyptian mythology...

Jesus wasn't born on December 25th. That was added in by the Catholic Church hundreds of years after, in order to get European pagans to convert. There is not a single bible passage saying that Jesus was born on the 25th. Horus didn't have a virgin birth. Isis was impregnated by her resurrected husband Osiris. Any book on ancient Egyptian mythology will confirm tell you as such. As for walking on water, 12 disciples, crucifixion, and resurrection do you have a source? Can you show me some Egyptian hieroglyphs that attest to such things? 



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Chris Hu said:

Did I miss something here you didn't present any decent evidence of Jesus existence to me.  The overwhelming evidence brought fourth in the last 20 years all supports the fact that Jesus never existed or at best he was just some regular guy that got turned into a legend after his death.  Anyway if you want some deep insides of how flawed Christianity is I'm not the guy to asked since I never considered myself to be true believer anyway I always believed that the Bible is nothing more then a loose collection of myth and fair tales and not a very good one either since it borrowed many of its myth from other religions.  I suggest you watch some videos from Seth Andrews.

So you don't think that the three Josephus passages, the Tacitus passage, or Paul's letter are good evidence? Why not? 

Any Seth Andrews videos you would like me to watch? Point them out, and I'll watch them. 

I'm an Atheist, but I think that Jesus Mythicism is almost as intellectually devoid as young earth creationism. Almost

Earl Doherty (the guy who originally put forth the Christ-Myth theory) doesn't have an actual degree in history as far as I can tell. He claims to have a degree in history, but when asked for proof, he dances around the subject. 

Richard Carrier (another Mythicist) doesn't have a degree in history either. 

Nearly all ancient historians and bible scholars agree that Jesus was a historical person. 

I mean, trust me man, if there were real evidence pointing to Jesus just being a myth, I'd jump all over it. I'd absolutely love to have such ammo to throw in the faces of proselytizerslike the OP of this thread. But sadly it isn't so. All the evidence points towards Jesus having existed. But I promise I'll watch any videos you link to, and keep an open mind. 

Bart Erhman 

Evidence is nonexistent and all info we have is very vague but there is a good chance someone with his name got caught up into this story that kept on carrying him into these modern ages,outside of the magical stuff there could be a fraction of truth hidden but in my opinion that does not even matter because it is most likely other minds that twisted the story about his being to make it more influential.



PortisheadBiscuit said:
He sacrificed his life so that man could use religion to persecute humans

A world without religion would have been far more barbaric.