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0D0 said:
To all those asking for scientific proof:

Well science said that butter is bad for us, then everybody went to margarine and them science said that butter is better than margarine and then margarine is the real problem.

Science said animal fat was bad, industry food went to vegetal fat, everybody got heart diseases and heart attacks for decades, then science found out that animal fat vs vegetal fat is not that simple and that animal fat can actually be better, like butter.

Science said that eggs are bad to our hearts, then it's not, science says it's actually good, because they found out stuff that they haven't found out before.

Science said that coffee is bad, now it's not so bad.

Science can't make up its mind about Wine.

Science said that the world would go to a new ice age. Then global warming. It didn't work very well. Now it's climate change (neigher very hot nor very cold). Tomorrow is gonna be something else.

Science thought that diseases were cause by lots of things. Doctors used to perform surgeries with bare dirty hands. Then they found out that bacteria exist. They didn't know before that bacteria exist. They know now. It exists.

Science said that the black race was inferior to white race. The overall non Western race was underdeveloped. It was taught on many universities. Then it became racism, DNA came out and such. Science knows now that it was all nonsense.

What science knew yesterday or never knew, they know today, or doesn't, they can change their minds. They can see today things that they didn't see and in the future they'll see things that they don't today.

Yes! Screw science!!! What does it ever did for me. Technology, medicine, physics, knowledge all of what is being made by Satan! 

Never ever should there be a method that is changing what is already known and said by people thousands of years ago. Lightning is still being created by Zeus and no science can tell me otherwise! 

Gravity is just a theory. It's all buoyancy! The earth is flat because I used science to pro ....wait what?



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Peh said:
0D0 said:
To all those asking for scientific proof:

Well science said that butter is bad for us, then everybody went to margarine and them science said that butter is better than margarine and then margarine is the real problem.

Science said animal fat was bad, industry food went to vegetal fat, everybody got heart diseases and heart attacks for decades, then science found out that animal fat vs vegetal fat is not that simple and that animal fat can actually be better, like butter.

Science said that eggs are bad to our hearts, then it's not, science says it's actually good, because they found out stuff that they haven't found out before.

Science said that coffee is bad, now it's not so bad.

Science can't make up its mind about Wine.

Science said that the world would go to a new ice age. Then global warming. It didn't work very well. Now it's climate change (neigher very hot nor very cold). Tomorrow is gonna be something else.

Science thought that diseases were cause by lots of things. Doctors used to perform surgeries with bare dirty hands. Then they found out that bacteria exist. They didn't know before that bacteria exist. They know now. It exists.

Science said that the black race was inferior to white race. The overall non Western race was underdeveloped. It was taught on many universities. Then it became racism, DNA came out and such. Science knows now that it was all nonsense.

What science knew yesterday or never knew, they know today, or doesn't, they can change their minds. They can see today things that they didn't see and in the future they'll see things that they don't today.

Yes! Screw science!!! What does it ever did for me. Technology, medicine, physics, knowledge all of what is being made by Satan! 

Never ever should there be a method that is changing what is already known and said by people thousands of years ago. Lightning is still being created by Zeus and no science can tell me otherwise! 

Gravity is just a theory. It's all buoyancy! The earth is flat because I used science to pro ....wait what?

Exactly. That's exactly what I meant. :D



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0D0 said:
To all those asking for scientific proof:

Well science said that butter is bad for us, then everybody went to margarine and them science said that butter is better than margarine and then margarine is the real problem.

Science said animal fat was bad, industry food went to vegetal fat, everybody got heart diseases and heart attacks for decades, then science found out that animal fat vs vegetal fat is not that simple and that animal fat can actually be better, like butter.

Science said that eggs are bad to our hearts, then it's not, science says it's actually good, because they found out stuff that they haven't found out before.

Science said that coffee is bad, now it's not so bad.

Science can't make up its mind about Wine.

Science said that the world would go to a new ice age. Then global warming. It didn't work very well. Now it's climate change (neigher very hot nor very cold). Tomorrow is gonna be something else.

Science thought that diseases were cause by lots of things. Doctors used to perform surgeries with bare dirty hands. Then they found out that bacteria exist. They didn't know before that bacteria exist. They know now. It exists.

Science said that the black race was inferior to white race. The overall non Western race was underdeveloped. It was taught on many universities. Then it became racism, DNA came out and such. Science knows now that it was all nonsense.

What science knew yesterday or never knew, they know today, or doesn't, they can change their minds. They can see today things that they didn't see and in the future they'll see things that they don't today.

You don't look at a single study and claim it is definite truth. When a headline about how something works or is pop ups in the news, even if it comes from scientists and a scientific group, you need to research how much has that study been subjected to peer reviews and recreated.

The media is the one guilty of having us constantly bombarded by single studies that have not been peer-reviewed. There is no easy solution that can align ourselves to the truth but by doing the work ourselves and doing a research of studies when we want to get to the core truth about something.

There is absolutely NOTHING that those who claim the magical sky daddy exist have submitted for falsification. There is NO descriptive nature of reality that includes the magical sky daddy. You don't raise a stone, look inside a tree and find a tag that says: "Made in Heaven".

There is accountability and correction in the field of science and that demonstrates it's ultimate goal to pursuit the truth and science has given us  countless of advances in technology that have benefited our species achieved thanks to the way science has revealed absolute behaviors of the nature of reality that we then manipulate at our will.

The people from the parties of god do nothing but apologetics and offer nothing for corroboration.

Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.



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aiwass said:

He "sacrificed" himself (he's God, so I don't imagine it's too much of an inconvenience), gets to come back to life, AND gets to go to Heaven in the end. What about mortal people who have died in more gruesome ways in selfless acts who DON'T get to come back to life? Ultimately, the whole story isn't that impressive even if you believe it.

Why did he supposedly do it? I dunno, seems like absurd theatre for a timeless creator of the universe who takes a vested interest in where people place their reproductive organs.

craighopkins said: 

Jesus Quote "Seek me with all your heart and you will find me."

I sincerely sought it out for the majority of my life. Being surrounded by believers made it a profound inconvenience not to be convinced by this stuff. I still appreciate the church community and wish I still had the friendships that I lost due to my deconversion. As an omnipotent, all-knowing agent who knows exactly how many hairs are on my head, he would also know exactly what criteria is necessary to convince me of the religion. This quote, I'm sorry to say, is a load of old waffle.

Preach



aiwass said:

I sincerely sought it out for the majority of my life. Being surrounded by believers made it a profound inconvenience not to be convinced by this stuff. I still appreciate the church community and wish I still had the friendships that I lost due to my deconversion. As an omnipotent, all-knowing agent who knows exactly how many hairs are on my head, he would also know exactly what criteria is necessary to convince me of the religion. This quote, I'm sorry to say, is a load of old waffle.

I have no idea how I missed this nice post. If it weren't for danasider quoting you up there I would have missed it.

That line I put on bold right there is something I thought about around a year ago.

The god-thing as is proposed by believers sell him as an all-knowing god that knows exactly what it takes to convince you that he is real.

Believers claim the god-thing approaches everyone at some point in their lives to let them know he is real.

With that extract of religious mythology in mind the conclusion is the following: there could not exist a single person who is not a believer because...

A) God knows everything so he knows what will take to convince you

B) God doesn't make mistakes.

C) He will make an effort to let you know he is real (how can he fail at the action of letting you know he is real when he knows what it takes to convert anyone and is capable of accomplishing anything? People are imperfect and are bound to misread the alleged "message")

D) People still don't believe and, in the case of the Christian religion (but any religion applies as well), most people don't accept Jesus as the true son of god

 

- If there are still people who don't believe, then that poses the following questions:

 

1) God knew exactly what it would take to convert a person, why didn't he made the right approach? I mean, he can do anything.

2) If god knew the approach would fail, why even try at all? You could claim god doesn't approach everyone, I guess, but that would pose the question: why doesn't god approach everyone and why am I guilty of not believing in god when god has not approached me the way he has approached other people?

Of course, this is all a game of playing with the mythology of particular religions. The fact of the matter is that none of those questions and claims should even matter when the existence of said god is so outside of the descriptive nature of reality that you cannot even define what a god is, but instead have people giving their own interpretations of what they feel and come up with when they think of the idea of a "god".

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Really? Is the site begining with their crazy fanatism? Please keep the site focused and clean, make an effort you people. This is a gaming site not a religious or politics one. There a ton of that in the net, use a search engine. And most important repect other beliefs including atheists. The world doesn´t moves around you only.



Chris Hu said:
He didn't because he is a fictional character and there is no concrete evidence that he ever existed.

 

This.

Cerebralbore101 said:
Chris Hu said:

Nope, there is zero evidence that Jesus ever existed.  Of course if you believe in some or even most of the ancient myth and fair tales in the book that also contains Jesus then its pretty easy to convince yourself that he actually existed.  With most historical real people from the past there are numerous sources of evidence that they actually existed. 

That isn't a rebuttal though. I keep giving you evidence that he existed, and you keep simply stating that there is no evidence, without dealing with what I actually said. 

Did I miss something here you didn't present any decent evidence of Jesus existence to me.  The overwhelming evidence brought fourth in the last 20 years all supports the fact that Jesus never existed or at best he was just some regular guy that got turned into a legend after his death.  Anyway if you want some deep insides of how flawed Christianity is I'm not the guy to asked since I never considered myself to be true believer anyway I always believed that the Bible is nothing more then a loose collection of myth and fair tales and not a very good one either since it borrowed many of its myth from other religions.  I suggest you watch some videos from Seth Andrews.



0D0 said:
To all those asking for scientific proof:

Well science said that butter is bad for us, then everybody went to margarine and them science said that butter is better than margarine and then margarine is the real problem.

Science said animal fat was bad, industry food went to vegetal fat, everybody got heart diseases and heart attacks for decades, then science found out that animal fat vs vegetal fat is not that simple and that animal fat can actually be better, like butter.

Science said that eggs are bad to our hearts, then it's not, science says it's actually good, because they found out stuff that they haven't found out before.

Science said that coffee is bad, now it's not so bad.

Science can't make up its mind about Wine.

Science said that the world would go to a new ice age. Then global warming. It didn't work very well. Now it's climate change (neigher very hot nor very cold). Tomorrow is gonna be something else.

Science thought that diseases were cause by lots of things. Doctors used to perform surgeries with bare dirty hands. Then they found out that bacteria exist. They didn't know before that bacteria exist. They know now. It exists.

Science said that the black race was inferior to white race. The overall non Western race was underdeveloped. It was taught on many universities. Then it became racism, DNA came out and such. Science knows now that it was all nonsense.

What science knew yesterday or never knew, they know today, or doesn't, they can change their minds. They can see today things that they didn't see and in the future they'll see things that they don't today.

Just to get this right.... your dig at Science is that it challenges the results to ensure the beliefs of science can be proven rather than just believing tales about someone with wine for blood passed on by illiterate people 2000 years ago and never changing any views regardless of how obviously flawed those views are?

This cleared it up for me, Science is awesome.



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Ganoncrotch said:
0D0 said:
To all those asking for scientific proof:

Well science said that butter is bad for us, then everybody went to margarine and them science said that butter is better than margarine and then margarine is the real problem.

Science said animal fat was bad, industry food went to vegetal fat, everybody got heart diseases and heart attacks for decades, then science found out that animal fat vs vegetal fat is not that simple and that animal fat can actually be better, like butter.

Science said that eggs are bad to our hearts, then it's not, science says it's actually good, because they found out stuff that they haven't found out before.

Science said that coffee is bad, now it's not so bad.

Science can't make up its mind about Wine.

Science said that the world would go to a new ice age. Then global warming. It didn't work very well. Now it's climate change (neigher very hot nor very cold). Tomorrow is gonna be something else.

Science thought that diseases were cause by lots of things. Doctors used to perform surgeries with bare dirty hands. Then they found out that bacteria exist. They didn't know before that bacteria exist. They know now. It exists.

Science said that the black race was inferior to white race. The overall non Western race was underdeveloped. It was taught on many universities. Then it became racism, DNA came out and such. Science knows now that it was all nonsense.

What science knew yesterday or never knew, they know today, or doesn't, they can change their minds. They can see today things that they didn't see and in the future they'll see things that they don't today.

Just to get this right.... your dig at Science is that it challenges the results to ensure the beliefs of science can be proven rather than just believing tales about someone with wine for blood passed on by illiterate people 2000 years ago and never changing any views regardless of how obviously flawed those views are?

This cleared it up for me, Science is awesome.

The point of my post is, yes, science is awesome, I agree, even though it didn't know that bacteria did exist and even though it was wrong a lot of times.

There's a limit to what science can see. They can see today a lot of things that they couldn't in the past. They still can't see God though.

Science do can be wrong and needs to correct itself all the time.



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When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

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