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Global Hardware 15 December 2018

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CGI-Quality said:
Mbolibombo said:
Every time I enter this thread I hope there's some actual on topic discussion going on to take part in.

Once again leaving dissapointed

Of course, you could always attempt to get the ball rolling again.

But really, as mentioned, the 15th's numbers have been viewed and reviewed a good bit already. A little straying is fine at this point. The issue is still some of the aggression I see from a select few. You guys need to tone it down. I threw that out once, so this will be the last time. Try your best to engage what the person is saying without resorting to anything personal. And for others, don't attack a platform without basis (i.e. ... Switch is merely for casuals/doesn't directly compete with PS/Xbox, etc, etc...). Opinions, whether right or wrong, can still be a step over the line. Context and presentation are important.

How can stating that Switch doesn't directly compete with PS/Xbox be offensive and a platform attack (even without a reasonable long justification)?

I'm asking this because I'm among the ones that truly believe that and have stated that Switch indeed does not seem to compete with current gen consoles PS and Xbox. I don't see this as an attack, but as a market business opinion. Actually, if I were Nintendo I wouldn't want to compete with PS/Xbox, that would be my CEO decision. Nintendo's strength is on the handheld/Japanese/niche side of the market and not on standard powerful big boxes x86-64 cpu home consoles.

On the other hand, I don't understand why someone would get triggered or offended by that even if one's a Nintendo fan. Those with that mentality would be the ones thinking that Nintendo would be inferior in case it doesn't compete directly with Xbox/PS, so those ones are the real ones downplaying the company. Because not competing with PS/Xbox is a wise decision. Nintendo is making its own sub market and disrupting. Tech business today is all about disrupting and when we say that Nintendo is disrupting the gaming business not competing directly with current gen consoles, it's in fact sort of a compliment.

 

The same thing happens when someone say "PS is just always the same thing with better graphics". Is this an insult or attack to the platform? This statement is very common and also quite true, because one of the strengths of Sony is exactly giving the players the same platform. PS is basically a successor to SNES that never really changed and that's one of the main reasons many like Sony, they provide the player a platform that we know, the controller is the same, the box is the same, it's just more powerful. PS is the same thing since 1.

 

So, perhaps, even thought opinions can be stated in a rude or polite manner and it's got to be moderated when it's rude, some just get too offended too easy on the Internet.



PLAYING: Horizon Zero Dawn (PS4), For Honor (PS4)

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


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Jranation said:
CGI-Quality said:

You weren't around for the 07-09 years. ;P

No sadly :( I can see how people would go crazy in the numbers back then. 

Yeah that was back when Nintendo were in their prime and Sony/MS were pretty even. 



MAU...ST impressive Sony! 

CGI-Quality said:
Jranation said:
Wow! Is this a new record for the most posts on a Weekly Global Hardware sales?

You weren't around for the 07-09 years. ;P

Neck to neck sales for 3 systems and all fandoms well represented in the forum, holidays were very intense.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363


0D0 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Of course, you could always attempt to get the ball rolling again.

But really, as mentioned, the 15th's numbers have been viewed and reviewed a good bit already. A little straying is fine at this point. The issue is still some of the aggression I see from a select few. You guys need to tone it down. I threw that out once, so this will be the last time. Try your best to engage what the person is saying without resorting to anything personal. And for others, don't attack a platform without basis (i.e. ... Switch is merely for casuals/doesn't directly compete with PS/Xbox, etc, etc...). Opinions, whether right or wrong, can still be a step over the line. Context and presentation are important.

How can stating that Switch doesn't directly compete with PS/Xbox be offensive and a platform attack (even without a reasonable long justification)?

I'm asking this because I'm among the ones that truly believe that and have stated that Switch indeed does not seem to compete with current gen consoles PS and Xbox. I don't see this as an attack, but as a market business opinion. Actually, if I were Nintendo I wouldn't want to compete with PS/Xbox, that would be my CEO decision. Nintendo's strength is on the handheld/Japanese/niche side of the market and not on standard powerful big boxes x86-64 cpu home consoles.

On the other hand, I don't understand why someone would get triggered or offended by that even if one's a Nintendo fan. Those with that mentality would be the ones thinking that Nintendo would be inferior in case it doesn't compete directly with Xbox/PS, so those ones are the real ones downplaying the company. Because not competing with PS/Xbox is a wise decision. Nintendo is making its own sub market and disrupting. Tech business today is all about disrupting and when we say that Nintendo is disrupting the gaming business not competing directly with current gen consoles, it's in fact sort of a compliment.

 

The same thing happens when someone say "PS is just always the same thing with better graphics". Is this an insult or attack to the platform? This statement is very common and also quite true, because one of the strengths of Sony is exactly giving the players the same platform. PS is basically a successor to SNES that never really changed and that's one of the main reasons many like Sony, they provide the player a platform that we know, the controller is the same, the box is the same, it's just more powerful. PS is the same thing since 1.

 

So, perhaps, even thought opinions can be stated in a rude or polite manner and it's got to be moderated when it's rude, some just get too offended too easy on the Internet.

I enjoy the discussion. Debating is important to get a true understanding of a subject. And I agree they arent direct competitors. Indirect Competitors is reasonable with some market overlap. But I do believe Nintendo could reach further into that market at least short term.



0D0 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Of course, you could always attempt to get the ball rolling again.

But really, as mentioned, the 15th's numbers have been viewed and reviewed a good bit already. A little straying is fine at this point. The issue is still some of the aggression I see from a select few. You guys need to tone it down. I threw that out once, so this will be the last time. Try your best to engage what the person is saying without resorting to anything personal. And for others, don't attack a platform without basis (i.e. ... Switch is merely for casuals/doesn't directly compete with PS/Xbox, etc, etc...). Opinions, whether right or wrong, can still be a step over the line. Context and presentation are important.

How can stating that Switch doesn't directly compete with PS/Xbox be offensive and a platform attack (even without a reasonable long justification)?

Without a justification/reasoning, it more reeks of a distaste for the platform rather than a mere feeling that it is 'just another device' in a vacuum of the market. No matter what picture you paint, an argument can be made that it is in direct competition with other devices fighting for people's dollars in an enclosed space. The counter argument can be made, most certainly, but you need to be prepared to back it up (especially considering where you are ~ a site dedicated to sales). It would be like someone being brought up on criminal charges without basis. No evidence/witnesses, etc, etc... People wouldn't (nor shouldn't) take that seriously and would rightfully cause backlash. Same principle applies here. 



                                                                                                                                            

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CGI-Quality said:
0D0 said:

How can stating that Switch doesn't directly compete with PS/Xbox be offensive and a platform attack (even without a reasonable long justification)?

Without a justification/reasoning, it more reeks of a distaste for the platform rather than a mere feeling that it is 'just another device' in a vacuum of the market. No matter what picture you paint, an argument can be made that it is in direct competition with other devices fighting for people's dollars in an enclosed space. The counter argument can be made, most certainly, but you need to be prepared to back it up (especially considering where you are ~ a site dedicated to sales). It would be like someone being brought up on criminal charges without basis. No evidence/witnesses, etc, etc... People wouldn't (nor shouldn't) take that seriously and would rightfully cause backlash. Same principle applies here. 

To me, now, you sound like that saying that it's an indirect competition is just offensive needs justification while saying that it's on direct competition is ok because it praises Nintendo and so doesn't need justification. It's very hard for me to see how we draw the line between market/business opinion and "attack to Nintendo owners feelings".



PLAYING: Horizon Zero Dawn (PS4), For Honor (PS4)

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


0D0 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Without a justification/reasoning, it more reeks of a distaste for the platform rather than a mere feeling that it is 'just another device' in a vacuum of the market. No matter what picture you paint, an argument can be made that it is in direct competition with other devices fighting for people's dollars in an enclosed space. The counter argument can be made, most certainly, but you need to be prepared to back it up (especially considering where you are ~ a site dedicated to sales). It would be like someone being brought up on criminal charges without basis. No evidence/witnesses, etc, etc... People wouldn't (nor shouldn't) take that seriously and would rightfully cause backlash. Same principle applies here. 

To me, now, you sound like that saying that it's an indirect competition is just offensive needs justification while saying that it's on direct competition is ok because it praises Nintendo and so doesn't need justification. It's very hard for me to see how we draw the line between market/business opinion and "attack to Nintendo owners feelings".

I'm saying that one side can present their argument with data. The other side, particularly with nothing more than their own feelings, is standing on a flimsy floorboard.

Ex: 

Person A: "Nintendo is competing with PlayStation and Xbox. Just look at how the market share for PS4 is shrinking as Switch continues to sell in the market". 

Person B: "Nintendo isn't competing with PS/Xbox. Why? Because I said so."

The problem is substance, not the view itself. Since you said "(even without a reasonable long justification)". It doesn't need to be long, it just needs to exist. Why is it not competing? What are the others doing that keep it in its own bubble? Do they share any of the same 3rd party games? Are their sales not impacted by one another?

All of those are reasonable questions that should at least receive (in a few of those cases) some form of answer to present a counter argument. This is especially necessary if you are someone with a known history of attacking a specific brand without justification. 



                                                                                                                                            

CGI-Quality said:
Mbolibombo said:
Every time I enter this thread I hope there's some actual on topic discussion going on to take part in.

Once again leaving dissapointed

Of course, you could always attempt to get the ball rolling again.

But really, as mentioned, the 15th's numbers have been viewed and reviewed a good bit already. A little straying is fine at this point. The issue is still some of the aggression I see from a select few. You guys need to tone it down. I threw that out once, so this will be the last time. Try your best to engage what the person is saying without resorting to anything personal. And for others, don't attack a platform without basis (i.e. ... Switch is merely for casuals/doesn't directly compete with PS/Xbox, etc, etc...). Opinions, whether right or wrong, can still be a step over the line. Context and presentation are important.

My humble attempt to get the ship back on track would be drowned in the off topic gibberish :P I'll just leave and not come back and hopefully this nonsensical discussion wont be back for next weeks thread ;P



Mbolibombo said:
CGI-Quality said:

Of course, you could always attempt to get the ball rolling again.

But really, as mentioned, the 15th's numbers have been viewed and reviewed a good bit already. A little straying is fine at this point. The issue is still some of the aggression I see from a select few. You guys need to tone it down. I threw that out once, so this will be the last time. Try your best to engage what the person is saying without resorting to anything personal. And for others, don't attack a platform without basis (i.e. ... Switch is merely for casuals/doesn't directly compete with PS/Xbox, etc, etc...). Opinions, whether right or wrong, can still be a step over the line. Context and presentation are important.

My humble attempt to get the ship back on track would be drowned in the off topic gibberish :P I'll just leave and not come back and hopefully this nonsensical discussion wont be back for next weeks thread ;P

I wouldn't say it has been nonsensical, just not particularly relevant. 



                                                                                                                                            

CGI-Quality said:
0D0 said:

To me, now, you sound like that saying that it's an indirect competition is just offensive needs justification while saying that it's on direct competition is ok because it praises Nintendo and so doesn't need justification. It's very hard for me to see how we draw the line between market/business opinion and "attack to Nintendo owners feelings".

I'm saying that one side can present their argument with data. The other side, particularly with nothing more than their own feelings, is standing on a flimsy floorboard.

Ex: 

Person A: "Nintendo is competing with PlayStation and Xbox. Just look at how the market share for PS4 is shrinking as Switch continues to sell in the market". 

Person B: "Nintendo isn't competing with PS/Xbox. Why? Because I said so."

The problem is substance, not the view itself. Since you said "(even without a reasonable long justification)". It doesn't need to be long, it just needs to exist. Why is it not competing? What are the others doing that keep it in its own bubble? Do they share any of the same 3rd party games? Are their sales not impacted by one another?

All of those are reasonable questions that should at least receive (in a few of those cases) some form of answer to present a counter argument. This is especially necessary if you are someone with a known history of attacking a specific brand without justification. 

Got it.

Not trying to bother you, but since I'm rather new about here, I'm still learning how to not cross the line while polite arguing.



PLAYING: Horizon Zero Dawn (PS4), For Honor (PS4)

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?