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Global Hardware 15 December 2018

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zorg1000 said:

I am being fair, I find it concerning that you find issues in my argument using actual data but not his which is nothing more than a rant.

You are correct, Switch is significantly ahead of Wii U and significantly behind 3DS. How in any way does that support a handheld or console argument?

If you want to bring up PS4, how about we also being up Vita? It's the worst selling Playstation system in Japan ever, had a ~70% drop from PSP and sold just over half of what PS3/PS4 have/will sell.

By the logic you and CrazyGPU are using, Vita should have sold much more than PS3/PS4 because handhelds are more popular than traditional consoles.

Relax....

I am not in Switch better than wiiU but worse than 3ds. In between. As a hybrid would be. Especially in japan. I didnt say ur numbers were wrong. Or atttack them..

You know what foret I said anything. I am bowing out of the debate.



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RolStoppable said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Debating between direct and indirect comp and debating on Home vs Handheld is not downplaying....why are so many people reaching? heck I wasn't even in the debate and I saw no hate. I even saw those same people saying it was a smart move and a hit for Nintendo with the hybrid but yet that is downplaying? Like come on people. 

You are missing the big picture. What's going on in this thread is the same as ten years ago when people who were upset by high Wii sales tried to put Wii in a different market, the goal being that if Wii is in a different market, then PS or Xbox would remain the sales leader in the market that matters.

The people who go smarter about this do it by using backhanded compliments, such as "it was smart by Nintendo to make a handheld that connects to the TV." If you look at the post I replied to before yours, you'll spot the compliment that "Nintendo makes high quality games with great creativity" that stands in complete contradiction with the rest of the post. If the aforementioned statement were truly believed by the person who said it, they would have concluded that Switch sales exploded this holiday season because of Nintendo's strong first party lineup. But instead said person pursued a longwinded way to arrive at a different and illogical conclusion that makes it more comforting for them to accept the high Switch sales.

The market that matters?

Wait.... so to me the NS is a handheld in every sense of the word that plugs to a TV and me saying this somehow is backhanded? I accept that its a hybrid, but I see it as more of a handhled (and an expensive one at that) and I have been anything the same thin since before the NS launched. But for me to say that now while saying the NS has sld well or whatever is downplaying?

Whats going on here lol.....



zorg1000 said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

But ten years ago the consensus was pretty much almost everywhere that the Wii was indirectly competing with the PS3/XB360. The HD twins competed directly with each other and the Wii indirectly competed. That's why the PS3/Wii combo or the XB360/Wii combo were debated on which was best. Even though for me having all 3 was best just like now lol.

Now for the rest I can see that and maybe I was just not looking at it as deeply and just took it for what was said. I didn't really get that underlining/downplaying/hating feeling with those posts. I just saw some good debates coming from both sides. Maybe I was just being naive to it though.

You have to think, why was it brought up in the first place? Why would someone bring up Switch being a handheld that hooks up to a TV and that it's not a direct competitor to PS4/XBO in this thread? It has nothing to do with weekly sales so the only logical conclusion is that they did it to downplay the fact that it had an amazing week.

I don't get why it's important to either side. It's not like Switch will take more/less market share from PS4 depending on whether we define it as a hybrid/handheld/home console.

What do either side gain?



Damn.. That Smash Bros. effect though..

With regards to a couple of the ongoing squabbles - can I play the Switch as a home console? Then it's a home console. It's also a handheld console. It's literally as simple as this folks. There's such a thing as grey area, it doesn't have to be black and white.

Additionally, yes the Switch is a competitor to the PS4. The Switch is a video game console. The PS4/Xbox One are also video game consoles. Again, simple stuff, people. They even have many of the exact same games.

Sure you could say they are vastly different in certain areas, and that there are segments of the market that Nintendo will reach that Sony simply will not, and vice versa, but I don't know how you can do these mental gymnastics trying to justify how two video game consoles (no matter how different), aren't inevitably going to have at least some overlap in terms of competing for the same market. They compete for the same dollars of largely the same market of people who play video games.

Put it this way - When I decide to invest in Smash Bros Ultimate, that's money out of my pocket that I likely would have been more inclined to spend on, say Assassin's Creed Odyssey for my Xbox One, which I otherwise am going to be waiting a bit for a price drop on that one. When I decide to pick up another Xbox One controller, that causes me to hold off on snagging that extra pair of expensive joycons. And so on.. It also is a competition for my gaming time, as I can only play one console at a time.

I do find it interesting that you only tend to hear these justifications as to how Nintendo is doing a "different thing" when they are outselling the competition. When they are not though, people sure are quick to harp on the fact the non-competing PS4 is outperforming the Switch..

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Just to be clear..... my only stake in this debate was saying that nintendo is not in the "home console" business and how the NS is not a "Home console".

I didnt say its only selling or selling well because its a handheld or that its not performing well.

I also did say that its an indirect competitor with the PS4/XB1 not t downplay its sales but to point out that it can coexist with either platform and it doing well will not affect the others adversely and vice versa because it offers something totally different from what the others offer.

Felt I needed to say this because all of a sudden the debate I was in is being called all manner of strange things.



Replicant said:
zorg1000 said:

You have to think, why was it brought up in the first place? Why would someone bring up Switch being a handheld that hooks up to a TV and that it's not a direct competitor to PS4/XBO in this thread? It has nothing to do with weekly sales so the only logical conclusion is that they did it to downplay the fact that it had an amazing week.

I don't get why it's important to either side. It's not like Switch will take more/less market share from PS4 depending on whether we define it as a hybrid/handheld/home console.

What do either side gain?

So let me ask again, why was it brought up for any reason other to downplay?



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But guys it doesnt matter anyway since the switch isnt even the same generation



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Intrinsic said:
Just to be clear..... my only stake in this debate was saying that nintendo is not in the "home console" business and how the NS is not a "Home console".

I didnt say its only selling or selling well because its a handheld or that its not performing well.

I also did say that its an indirect competitor with the PS4/XB1 not t downplay its sales but to point out that it can coexist with either platform and it doing well will not affect the others adversely and vice versa because it offers something totally different from what the others offer.

Felt I needed to say this because all of a sudden the debate I was in is being called all manner of strange things.

I dont think anybody was talking about you specifically, more like the person who brought it up to begin with.



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kirby007 said:

But guys it doesnt matter anyway since the switch isnt even the same generation

Shoot, that's another 10 pages of discussion worth now.



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