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Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

Last shooter I played "for real" was CS 1.6, all other FPS I either don't do MP or just play the minimum (if it is low) for my platinum in series I like.

So really even 60fps is pointless for me outside of Gran Turismo and fighting games. I can understand it being desirable by a small group of PC gamer, but considering console gaming have always put more of the budget on graphics and aiming 30 fps (outside of e-sport games and the like) I don't think anyone will really aim 120fps next-gen. Perhaps we may start to care about 60fps in more genres (I doubt) but before we do it, 120fps is outside of question.

Why is it desirable, only by a "small" number of PC gamers?.

Because most people, by that basically all console gamers and even most PC gamers themselves don't play on 120fps setting due to how taxing it is for the system.

Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

Last shooter I played "for real" was CS 1.6, all other FPS I either don't do MP or just play the minimum (if it is low) for my platinum in series I like.

So really even 60fps is pointless for me outside of Gran Turismo and fighting games. I can understand it being desirable by a small group of PC gamer, but considering console gaming have always put more of the budget on graphics and aiming 30 fps (outside of e-sport games and the like) I don't think anyone will really aim 120fps next-gen. Perhaps we may start to care about 60fps in more genres (I doubt) but before we do it, 120fps is outside of question.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying 120fps is coming to consoles anytime soon, it really isn't in any meaningful way, the primary display consoles use are Televisions, which generally are 60hz panels anyway. (Or use some kind of frame interpolation to fake higher rates. It's nasty.)

60fps though I think should be the minimum anyway, games just feel and looker smoother to play when they have the proper frame pacing.

Than so those 240Hz TVs were lying to me? Damnnnnn.

We both know that only if they have the "pro" version with more CPU they will have a more standard 60fps on consoles. Base console will mostly keep focusing 30fps and giving all else to graphic. So far Sony and MS have show that they prefer to have the graphic "twice as good" than twice the framerate.



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Ray tracing and 12 bit HDR/Dolby vision. It can't be done cheaply enough for ps5 but hopefully 2023/24 will see a change nor can Hdr12 be viable yet without the TV tech. Also hope VR will be a thing and they'll again allow such massive improvements in VR titles as seen with current PSVR and pro.



 

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EricHiggin said:
PS5 Pro being a 4k/60 disc based home console at $499. (possible)

PS5 being a hybrid with a boost dock for 1080p/60 at $349. (reaching)

PS Now digital only streaming device at $199. (unlikely)

All available on launch day.

I'd be disappointed if PS5 proper wasn't aiming for 4k, 60fps at €400 from launch with exceptions at 4k, 30/45fps being the third party games. 4k is a given but I think with deep learning tech and a need for 120fps for VR, 60 fps should easily attained if they have invested correctly in the VR tech. So lets hope the ps5 is a VR machine.



 

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John2290 said:
EricHiggin said:
PS5 Pro being a 4k/60 disc based home console at $499. (possible)

PS5 being a hybrid with a boost dock for 1080p/60 at $349. (reaching)

PS Now digital only streaming device at $199. (unlikely)

All available on launch day.

I'd be disappointed if PS5 proper wasn't aiming for 4k, 60fps at €400 from launch with exceptions at 4k, 30/45fps being the third party games. 4k is a given but I think with deep learning tech and a need for 120fps for VR, 60 fps should easily attained if they have invested correctly in the VR tech. So lets hope the ps5 is a VR machine.

I like and have VR, but not sure the 3M sales will make they give extra attention to VR on PS5 HW. certainly the better CPU we expect may give "indie level" and VR cartoonish graphics 120fps on good graphic output. And considering one side pretty cartoon versus other side ugly realistic (due to basically 4x more processing) I would take the first, but I believe we will have pristine and better than PS360 level of graphic on 120 fps VR games next gen for PS5.



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DonFerrari said:

Because most people, by that basically all console gamers and even most PC gamers themselves don't play on 120fps setting due to how taxing it is for the system.

Considering how there are games from the PS2 era that ran at 60fps, I dunno man. There are also plenty of PC gamers out there running at 60, rather than hundreds of millions running at 30/sub 30fps (which feels like a baseless claim to ever make, unless you include 10-15 old granny computers used for facebook games, in which case you shouldn't even begin to include those non gamers). 

 

Also, not all games are taxing to run past 60fps either.



                                       

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I would like to see them go back to releasing Uncharted every 2 years like they used to. Same with Horizon. If not then at least release new DLC expansion levels every two years. Save the hardware upgrades for the PS6 and get back to focusing more on their AAA games next gen.



DonFerrari said:
John2290 said:

I'd be disappointed if PS5 proper wasn't aiming for 4k, 60fps at €400 from launch with exceptions at 4k, 30/45fps being the third party games. 4k is a given but I think with deep learning tech and a need for 120fps for VR, 60 fps should easily attained if they have invested correctly in the VR tech. So lets hope the ps5 is a VR machine.

I like and have VR, but not sure the 3M sales will make they give extra attention to VR on PS5 HW. certainly the better CPU we expect may give "indie level" and VR cartoonish graphics 120fps on good graphic output. And considering one side pretty cartoon versus other side ugly realistic (due to basically 4x more processing) I would take the first, but I believe we will have pristine and better than PS360 level of graphic on 120 fps VR games next gen for PS5.

$499 with the VR breakout box baked into the console, making the VR SKU itself cheaper. Pricing could vary depending on subsidy. You could have a $399 Pro console, $299 base hybrid, and $199 streaming box.



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I think there will be two models at launch, a PS5 and PS5 Pro. GPU will likely follow similar config of PS4 to PS4 Pro.

But there also will be a PS5 Pro+ or PS5K sometime in 2023 with doubled config of PS5Pro at 5nm(?). Perhaps 5K resolutions or 4K 60fps.



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DonFerrari said:

So really even 60fps is pointless for me outside of Gran Turismo and fighting games. I can understand it being desirable by a small group of PC gamer, but considering console gaming have always put more of the budget on graphics and aiming 30 fps (outside of e-sport games and the like) I don't think anyone will really aim 120fps next-gen. Perhaps we may start to care about 60fps in more genres (I doubt) but before we do it, 120fps is outside of question.

I don't care about frame rate for competitive reasons.  I care about it because higher frame rates feel better.  The difference between 30 and 60 is huge.  I recall going from Destiny at 30fps to Halo 5 at 60 and thinking it was cool, but nothing special.  But, when I finished Halo at 60andd went back to Destiny at 30fps, I really realized how awesome that 60fps was.

As far as I'm concerned, 60fps should be the standard for all games next gen, with hopes that Pro or X models will give us even higher. 



Solid-Stark said:
I think there will be two models at launch, a PS5 and PS5 Pro. GPU will likely follow similar config of PS4 to PS4 Pro.

But there also will be a PS5 Pro+ or PS5K sometime in 2023 with doubled config of PS5Pro at 5nm(?). Perhaps 5K resolutions or 4K 60fps.

With 8k showing up at CES this year, a dynamic checkerboard 8k PS5 upgrade wouldn't be out of the question at some point.



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Our North sinking slowly.
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Our healthcare is yours free!
Science save our land, harnessing the breeze,
Oh planet Earth, smoke weed and ferment yeast.
Oh planet Earth, ell gee bee queue and tee.