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Forums - Sales Discussion - More consoles were sold in the UK in 2018 vs 2017. PS4 #1

colafitte on 02 January 2019
RolStoppable said:
colafitte said:

Another unreliable source of information then...."surprising".

I checked Resetera's thread and they got a couple of sales tidbits to work out Switch sales. Current assumptions/estimates are 1m+ for the PS4 and ~800k for Switch, so the remaining 650-700k would be distributed as 550-600k for the XB1 and 75-100k for the 3DS. The latter two being my guesses.

If XBO was the only one not being up YOY, those numbers make sense. The problem is PS4 number is a little bit vague still. 1M+ is what? 1'1M, 1'2M, 1'3M or 1'4M? Those 100k more in a market like UK could mean a lot of a difference in the total sales....



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colafitte on 02 January 2019
RolStoppable said:

colafitte said:
So, if this news is correct and PS4 is up YOY in UK, I expect EU to be flat or YOY up too. So...., i will ask again, if PS4 is flat in US, JP and EU...., how PS4 is going to sell 2-3M less than in 2017??. Where in the world is selling way less than last year then?

As a reminder, PS4 sold 20'2M sold to consumers in 2017 according to Sony.

I wouldn't use UK numbers to extrapolate mainland Europe, because the UK differs in its acceptance of Xbox. If we were looking at a scenario where the UK began to shift more in favor of the PS4 in 2018 (i.e. people who originally bought an XB1 are picking up a PS4 only now), we simply wouldn't have the same circumstances in mainland Europe, because there the PS4 has always been the prefered choice since its launch.

The PS4 is slightly down in Japan and the USA, by about 10%. That's about what it takes to be down year over year by 2-3m, because 10% of 20m is 2m.

Yeah, UK is not 1:1 to the rest of EU, but knowing how well PS4 has done in other european markets in the holiday season, that's why i said that. 

And for the second point...in Japan is only 5% less than last year pace, not 10% and still remains a week for all 2018, and with US numbers, we still don't know them yet. So no, i'm not taking for granted the 2-3m less sales from the pace of those markets, even more if in Europe, the most important market for PS4 in the world, could still be flat or even up YOY.



Evilms on 02 January 2019

For 2018 at the UK :

PS4 ~ 1100K
Switch ~ 820K
XB1~ 600K



JRPGfan on 02 January 2019
Evilms said:
For 2018 at the UK :

PS4 ~ 1100K
Switch ~ 820K
XB1~ 600K

Wow the Switch beat out the Xbox in the UK!
And even in the UK the PS4 almost doubled the xbox? holy fudge.

We often hear that the UK is one of the xbox's strongest markets.
This goes against that.



KingofTrolls on 02 January 2019
colafitte said: how PS4 is going to sell 2-3M less than in 2017??. Where in the world is selling way less than last year then?

The answer is simple. It will be determined after Sony's report. We got more and more warnings that the end of the year might turn the table.

Until that, all the thrashtalk is litlle child blablabla.



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zorg1000 on 02 January 2019
Intrinsic said:

Info at the link Gameindustrybiz#mce_temp_url#

 

  • PS4 #1 best selling console in UK in 2018 and up YOY from 2017
  • NS biggest mover up 20% YOY (though this should be expected being that it tracked fr at least 2 more months in 2018)
  • Physical sales down by ~3% YOY. Digital sales not tracked. 

 

2017 lacking Jan & Feb for Switch is hardly relevant since March was its launch month which easily cancels out two regular months.



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Evilms on 02 January 2019

Worldwide shipments

PlayStation 4 :

Q1 2018 : 2,5 M

Q2 2018 : 2,8 M

Q3 2018 : 3,9 M

Q4 2018 : ?

Total : 9,2 M as september 30 + 167 M software

 

Nintendo Switch :

Q1 2018 : 2,93 M

Q2 2018 : 1,88 M

Q3 2018 : 3,19 M

Q4 2018 : ?

Total : 8 M as september 30 + 58 M software



Miyamotoo on 02 January 2019
Intrinsic said:

Info at the link Gameindustrybiz#mce_temp_url#

 

  • PS4 #1 best selling console in UK in 2018 and up YOY from 2017
  • NS biggest mover up 20% YOY (though this should be expected being that it tracked fr at least 2 more months in 2018)
  • Physical sales down by ~3% YOY. Digital sales not tracked. 

 

On other hand, Switch had launch in March 2017. and launch always gave huge sales in any case, and January and February of this year shouldnt be strong in any case. So March of last year should easily be stronger than this years January and February.

 

colafitte said:
I have the feeling PS4 is going to be undertracked this year worlwide (have this ever happened to a Playstation before???? ), because if in USA, JP and UK PS4 is similar to last year numbers, how PS4 is going to sell 2-3m less in the rest of the world?

PS4 in US and Japan is down YoY.

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DonFerrari on 02 January 2019

Very impressive that some regions can be up YOY so late in the console life-cycle



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zorg1000 on 02 January 2019
colafitte said:
So, if this news is correct and PS4 is up YOY in UK, I expect EU to be flat or YOY up too. So...., i will ask again, if PS4 is flat in US, JP and EU...., how PS4 is going to sell 2-3M less than in 2017??. Where in the world is selling way less than last year then?

As a reminder, PS4 sold 20'2M sold to consumers in 2017 according to Sony.

Take a look at Sony official sell through numbers.

Jan 1, 2017-53.4 million

June 11, 2017-60.4 million

That's 23 weeks so ~304k/week.

 

Dec 31, 2017-73.6 million

July 22, 2018-81.2 million

That's 29 weeks so ~262k/week.

 

If we take those weekly averages and meet on the middle at 26 weeks, that is

Half 1 2017-7.9 million

Half 1 2018-6.8 million

 

At the end of June PS4 was comfortably up in US & Japan according to NPD & Media Create but Sony's official sell through numbers put it down by over 1 million globally.



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