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SpokenTruth said:
omarct said:

Well this is kinda of what I was getting at. This sort of stuff happens often to blacks because of racism plus the thug culture and bad image that they have built over the years. Yet I feel like its gotten to the point where they are seen "ghosts" where there aren't any. The main reason I brought this topic up was from watching a youtube video where this very nice looking black youth commented how he was treated like a n**** that morning by a white couple walking down the street. How the woman held her purse closer and the guy starting walking behind her when they passed him. I couldnt help but think back to my own experiences and think that it is completely normal for a guy to walk behind his lady, specially if she has a really nice butt, I do it all the time. I want to trust the guy and believe his racist experience but another part of me is thinking maybe this guy is making racism out of everything.

My point is that it seems racism has consumed some minorities to the point where they link it with every part of their life. And I feel like a lot of those instances it is all up in their heads.

On a side note I have had cops pull out guns on me for putting my hands in my pocket to turn off my Ipod, not something you want to experience I will say. I was around 15 years old when it happened.

Have you ever asked yourself why they suspected racism?  Perhaps it's because it usually is.  So forgive them if they made a bad presumption.  Majorities have given them a reason to be suspicious of it.  You would too if you were one of them.

So it's not so much projected racism but presumed racism.

Yeah, i agree in a lot of cases it may be.

It is understandable that people get more sensitive to smaller less clearly signs of racism when they have faced a lot of real racism before( and of course media and politics also play into this) but also sucks for the one that is assumed to be racist when not having the intention to be.

A colleague of me always talks about white people being the source of everything bad on earth and him not getting evenly chances because of it,now partly that is true but this thought has consumed him so much that it sometimes also sounds like an excuse to hide the fact that he is not always fit for the same amount of chances other people get and not because of skincolor but just being individually less talented.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Eagle367 said:
yellow(who chose that one for east Asians?),

Chinese people chose it. They refer to themselves as "yellow people".

Although they look the same colour as "white" (by that I mean beige because there aren't any people that are actually white) people  to me.

Still stupid. All of them are except brown and all humans are different shades of brown. In fact what the west calls brown included people that are lighter toned than Europeans and darker toned than Africans and also people that look like east asians. And I've seen it first hand. This classification of race iis stupider than what we have which is based on actual tribes and supertribes



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Immersiveunreality said:

Or maybe it is you assuming knowing the situations of those people better than themselves, the situations the OP described gave us enough information on how he did nothing disrespective for social boundaries.

Uh, no. I am going by the information in the post. I was talking about how he mentioned having bad sight and had to get close to look at something. The way it was worded made it sound like he was in someone's personal space and only then did they react. Same as following the second person.

Yeah, assuming racism from being followed or having someone hawk over you isn't the first thing I would do, but it seems in both of these cases he was the catalyst. Could have not gotten in their space and avoided it altogether.



Immersiveunreality said:
SpokenTruth said:

Have you ever asked yourself why they suspected racism?  Perhaps it's because it usually is.  So forgive them if they made a bad presumption.  Majorities have given them a reason to be suspicious of it.  You would too if you were one of them.

So it's not so much projected racism but presumed racism.

Yeah, i agree in a lot of cases it may be.

It is understandable that people get more sensitive to smaller less clearly signs of racism when they have faced a lot of real racism before( and of course media and politics also play into this) but also sucks for the one that is assumed to be racist when not having the intention to be.

A colleague of me always talks about white people being the source of everything bad on earth and him not getting evenly chances because of it,now partly that is true but this thought has consumed him so much that it sometimes also sounds like an excuse to hide the fact that he is not always fit for the same amount of chances other people get and not because of skincolor but just being individually less talented.

Sadly, the situation has negatively impacted some people to the point they do overly emphasis it and use it as a scapegoat for their own failures. 

And yes, it sucks to be called racist when you simply had the same route in the store or were just looking for something in the aisle right next to them.  But we, as a race, helped create that mistrust so therefore it is upon us to correct it.  It's s stage we as a group set but don't like to individually take responsibility for.  We obviously can't wait for the racists themselves to fix it.



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SpokenTruth said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Yeah, i agree in a lot of cases it may be.

It is understandable that people get more sensitive to smaller less clearly signs of racism when they have faced a lot of real racism before( and of course media and politics also play into this) but also sucks for the one that is assumed to be racist when not having the intention to be.

A colleague of me always talks about white people being the source of everything bad on earth and him not getting evenly chances because of it,now partly that is true but this thought has consumed him so much that it sometimes also sounds like an excuse to hide the fact that he is not always fit for the same amount of chances other people get and not because of skincolor but just being individually less talented.

Sadly, the situation has negatively impacted some people to the point they do overly emphasis it and use it as a scapegoat for their own failures. 

And yes, it sucks to be called racist when you simply had the same route in the store or were just looking for something in the aisle right next to them.  But we, as a race, helped create that mistrust so therefore it is upon us to correct it.  It's s stage we as a group set but don't like to individually take responsibility for.  We obviously can't wait for the racists themselves to fix it.

Yeah i understand that mindset but there are people who do not put themselves in any group because they never thought or acted like them, so taking responsibility for those just feels dishonest but we can get respect from those that misstrust us as an individual without having to blame ourselves because when you put yourself in the group that created the negatives then thats kinda the thing you do.

So i agree that we can try to show those that are wary we have good intentions but disagree on the feeling guilthy because the sins of a group part. :p

Result is kind of the same though.



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Immersiveunreality said:
SpokenTruth said:

Sadly, the situation has negatively impacted some people to the point they do overly emphasis it and use it as a scapegoat for their own failures. 

And yes, it sucks to be called racist when you simply had the same route in the store or were just looking for something in the aisle right next to them.  But we, as a race, helped create that mistrust so therefore it is upon us to correct it.  It's s stage we as a group set but don't like to individually take responsibility for.  We obviously can't wait for the racists themselves to fix it.

Yeah i understand that mindset but there are people who do not put themselves in any group because they never thought or acted like them, so taking responsibility for those just feels dishonest but we can get respect from those that misstrust us as an individual without having to blame ourselves because when you put yourself in the group that created the negatives then thats kinda the thing you do.

So i agree that we can try to show those that are wary we have good intentions but disagree on the feeling guilthy because the sins of a group part. :p

Result is kind of the same though.

Don't confuse guilt with responsibility. I don't feel guilty for the actions of my grandparents but I do feel a responsibility to correct the social issues they created.  If I don't....who will?  Pass that responsibility on to my kids?  My grandkids?  Like I said, the racists themselves sure as hell aren't going to fix the problems they created.  Hell, many are still trying to make it worse today. 

That said, I'm not putting myself in that group, my grandparents did that.  They created a society where the race is the factor.  I can't change my race.  Whites as racists was the default position for hundreds of years and only by law did that change just 54 years ago.  And it's still happening today.  Doing nothing doesn't appear to be working.  Especially seeing the events of the past 2 years.



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SpokenTruth said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Yeah i understand that mindset but there are people who do not put themselves in any group because they never thought or acted like them, so taking responsibility for those just feels dishonest but we can get respect from those that misstrust us as an individual without having to blame ourselves because when you put yourself in the group that created the negatives then thats kinda the thing you do.

So i agree that we can try to show those that are wary we have good intentions but disagree on the feeling guilthy because the sins of a group part. :p

Result is kind of the same though.

Don't confuse guilt with responsibility. I don't feel guilty for the actions of my grandparents but I do feel a responsibility to correct the social issues they created.  If I don't....who will?  Pass that responsibility on to my kids?  My grandkids?  Like I said, the racists themselves sure as hell aren't going to fix the problems they created.  Hell, many are still trying to make it worse today. 

That said, I'm not putting myself in that group, my grandparents did that.  They created a society where the race is the factor.  I can't change my race.  Whites as racists was the default position for hundreds of years and only by law did that change just 54 years ago.  And it's still happening today.  Doing nothing doesn't appear to be working.  Especially seeing the events of the past 2 years.

Yeah i linked it wrongly to racism in history when reading your post,excuse me for that.

And yes i can agree with you wanting to make the first steps on letting people trust you,thats a good thing for sure and i do/did that myself whenever i am able.



Immersiveunreality said:
SpokenTruth said:

Don't confuse guilt with responsibility. I don't feel guilty for the actions of my grandparents but I do feel a responsibility to correct the social issues they created.  If I don't....who will?  Pass that responsibility on to my kids?  My grandkids?  Like I said, the racists themselves sure as hell aren't going to fix the problems they created.  Hell, many are still trying to make it worse today. 

That said, I'm not putting myself in that group, my grandparents did that.  They created a society where the race is the factor.  I can't change my race.  Whites as racists was the default position for hundreds of years and only by law did that change just 54 years ago.  And it's still happening today.  Doing nothing doesn't appear to be working.  Especially seeing the events of the past 2 years.

Yeah i linked it wrongly to racism in history when reading your post,excuse me for that.

And yes i can agree with you wanting to make the first steps on letting people trust you,thats a good thing for sure and i do/did that myself whenever i am able.

Awesome.  Someone said that we must be the change we want to see in the world. 



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

People don't care about the meaning of racism anymore. They only care about the social prestige of calling out "racism" or any other perceived offense or discrimination. Can't wait for this to culminate this year.

Mark my words, by the end of this year you will be called a racist if you only mention your own race or skin color.



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Yeah, definetely. It´s what people commonly call "the minority card". People always use it when they want to feel offended or when they can´t get what they want.

At my job, we have very specific rules for sending office supplies for any employee / department who demands them. Not long ago, a certain manager ordered me an inconceivable amount of supplies without previous warning or justification. I correct his order, as determined by the company´s regulation. Frustrated with the reduced supply, she called my superior accusing me of being racist and misogynist (funny, because she´s not even black, she´s mixed, as most Brazilians are) .

Of course, there was no evidence of any kind of discrimination, she just thought that she was above regulations for being a manager. Even more funny is that, three weeks after this occurance, she lost her position as a manager due to lack of commitment with deadlines and regulations.