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COKTOE said:
JWeinCom said:

The only one I played was the first, and Kratos was such an asshole that I found no reason to root for him.  He was very much an early 2000s character... and it's just not my kind of thing.

I mean, hey, fair enough, and really, the same applies to homeboy. I think I probably reacted that way because of posts I've seen here on VGC over the years, where people go off on what a one note character he is, which I really don't think is true. While I wouldn't date the character of Kratos as evocative of the "early 2000's", again, fair enough. I didn't start the series until May 2010, when I began playing the PS3 remaster of GOW, continuing with 2 and 3, and never had the the original give me a vibe that hearkened back to a particular style that was prevalent at the time it was made. He certainly IS often an asshole though. It's not difficult to imagine a person not liking him for his actions. His more unsavory characteristics only get worse after GOW 1, and I can't deny they didn't bother me a little bit at times.....RIP Gear Girl.

Lmao, was just about to post this video

but apparently you posted it earlier in the thread ...



 

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COKTOE said:
JWeinCom said:

The only one I played was the first, and Kratos was such an asshole that I found no reason to root for him.  He was very much an early 2000s character... and it's just not my kind of thing.

I mean, hey, fair enough, and really, the same applies to homeboy. I think I probably reacted that way because of posts I've seen here on VGC over the years, where people go off on what a one note character he is, which I really don't think is true. While I wouldn't date the character of Kratos as evocative of the "early 2000's", again, fair enough. I didn't start the series until May 2010, when I began playing the PS3 remaster of GOW, continuing with 2 and 3, and never had the the original give me a vibe that hearkened back to a particular style that was prevalent at the time it was made. He certainly IS often an asshole though. It's not difficult to imagine a person not liking him for his actions. His more unsavory characteristics only get worse after GOW 1, and I can't deny they didn't bother me a little bit at times.....RIP Gear Girl.

How old were you in the early 2000s?  If you see him out of context, you may not pick up on it, but in context, there were a lot of characters like that in the 90s.  Those poor tortured souls.  Shadow the Hedgehog comes to mind.  Even characters that were previously nice and friendly, the Prince from Prince of Persia or Jak from Jak and Daxter, got an attitude adjustment to fit the mold.  



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
COKTOE said:

I mean, hey, fair enough, and really, the same applies to homeboy. I think I probably reacted that way because of posts I've seen here on VGC over the years, where people go off on what a one note character he is, which I really don't think is true. While I wouldn't date the character of Kratos as evocative of the "early 2000's", again, fair enough. I didn't start the series until May 2010, when I began playing the PS3 remaster of GOW, continuing with 2 and 3, and never had the the original give me a vibe that hearkened back to a particular style that was prevalent at the time it was made. He certainly IS often an asshole though. It's not difficult to imagine a person not liking him for his actions. His more unsavory characteristics only get worse after GOW 1, and I can't deny they didn't bother me a little bit at times.....RIP Gear Girl.

Lmao, was just about to post this video

but apparently you posted it earlier in the thread ...

I did indeed post it, but it was GOWTLOZ that recommended it to me earlier in the thread. I liked it so much I watched it twice, and may might watch it again now. :)



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JWeinCom said:
COKTOE said:

I mean, hey, fair enough, and really, the same applies to homeboy. I think I probably reacted that way because of posts I've seen here on VGC over the years, where people go off on what a one note character he is, which I really don't think is true. While I wouldn't date the character of Kratos as evocative of the "early 2000's", again, fair enough. I didn't start the series until May 2010, when I began playing the PS3 remaster of GOW, continuing with 2 and 3, and never had the the original give me a vibe that hearkened back to a particular style that was prevalent at the time it was made. He certainly IS often an asshole though. It's not difficult to imagine a person not liking him for his actions. His more unsavory characteristics only get worse after GOW 1, and I can't deny they didn't bother me a little bit at times.....RIP Gear Girl.

How old were you in the early 2000s?  If you see him out of context, you may not pick up on it, but in context, there were a lot of characters like that in the 90s.  Those poor tortured souls.  Shadow the Hedgehog comes to mind.  Even characters that were previously nice and friendly, the Prince from Prince of Persia or Jak from Jak and Daxter, got an attitude adjustment to fit the mold.  

I was 25 as of May 2000, and was a comic book reader until 98'. I'm certainly aware of the archetype you're referring to. I remember the ad's for comic stores within the comic books themselves, and one store in particular kept using the phrase "grim and gritty for the 90's" in it's description of multiple books. It was so overused, it briefly became a "thing" my friends and I would say among one ourselves. As for Kratos, I just never picked up on that vibe. To me, and I know this is corny, it felt timeless. Not dated.



Chinese food for breakfast

                                                     

COKTOE said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Lmao, was just about to post this video

but apparently you posted it earlier in the thread ...

I did indeed post it, but it was GOWTLOZ that recommended it to me earlier in the thread. I liked it so much I watched it twice, and may might watch it again now. :)

It's one of the best gaming videos on Youtube I think ... been a fan of Endless Jess for a long time, though mostly for his more weird niche stuff lol



 

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COKTOE said:
JWeinCom said:

How old were you in the early 2000s?  If you see him out of context, you may not pick up on it, but in context, there were a lot of characters like that in the 90s.  Those poor tortured souls.  Shadow the Hedgehog comes to mind.  Even characters that were previously nice and friendly, the Prince from Prince of Persia or Jak from Jak and Daxter, got an attitude adjustment to fit the mold.  

I was 25 as of May 2000, and was a comic book reader until 98'. I'm certainly aware of the archetype you're referring to. I remember the ad's for comic stores within the comic books themselves, and one store in particular kept using the phrase "grim and gritty for the 90's" in it's description of multiple books. It was so overused, it briefly became a "thing" my friends and I would say among one ourselves. As for Kratos, I just never picked up on that vibe. To me, and I know this is corny, it felt timeless. Not dated.

I put 90s by accident actually.  It kind of started in the 90's with the over the top violence gigantic muscles and anger and giant weapons (Spawn/Wolverine/Punisher/Venom/Cable if you were into comics). The 00's was kind of an extension of that trope.  They still had the dark past (Kratos' origin is pretty similar to the Punisher, and even more similar to Old Man Logan, although that was a bit later), but at least they didn't look visually as silly and over the top.  But darker heroes were very much a thing.

I honestly didn't get very far into God of War (I think only to the part with the fortress where you had to move the whole thing?) but it seemed like Kratos' solution to feeling bad about being a prick was to be more of a prick.  Gameplay was pretty good, but I have a hard time finishing a game if I'm not at least somewhat invested in the characters. I felt the same way with the DMC reboot where the gameplay was very solid, but the lead was so annoying I just gave up.  I've been curious to try the other games, but if he's like that throughout the series, maybe it's not for me.



JWeinCom said:
COKTOE said:

I was 25 as of May 2000, and was a comic book reader until 98'. I'm certainly aware of the archetype you're referring to. I remember the ad's for comic stores within the comic books themselves, and one store in particular kept using the phrase "grim and gritty for the 90's" in it's description of multiple books. It was so overused, it briefly became a "thing" my friends and I would say among one ourselves. As for Kratos, I just never picked up on that vibe. To me, and I know this is corny, it felt timeless. Not dated.

I put 90s by accident actually.  It kind of started in the 90's with the over the top violence gigantic muscles and anger and giant weapons (Spawn/Wolverine/Punisher/Venom/Cable if you were into comics). The 00's was kind of an extension of that trope.  They still had the dark past (Kratos' origin is pretty similar to the Punisher, and even more similar to Old Man Logan, although that was a bit later), but at least they didn't look visually as silly and over the top.  But darker heroes were very much a thing.

I honestly didn't get very far into God of War (I think only to the part with the fortress where you had to move the whole thing?) but it seemed like Kratos' solution to feeling bad about being a prick was to be more of a prick.  Gameplay was pretty good, but I have a hard time finishing a game if I'm not at least somewhat invested in the characters. I felt the same way with the DMC reboot where the gameplay was very solid, but the lead was so annoying I just gave up.  I've been curious to try the other games, but if he's like that throughout the series, maybe it's not for me.

That is pretty much the point of his character arc in the older games, his own self-destructiveness 



agree.

GOW was a very special playthrough for me. I got bored with RDR2. But that is more of me a thing. I just get bored with Rockstar games. I always buy them, but never finish. I think it is because the combat itself is weak. So I get bored. I totally understand why people love their games, but that just don't latch to me.

I started playing RDR2 today after Cmas, but got bored and bought Dragon Quest 11... so far I am in love with it.



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

Will we have a GOTY community?



colafitte said: 

Persona 5 is a good example for me of a good game and yet disappointing one, because I loved P4G (one of my favorite games ever ) but P5 didn't stick with me the same.

Yes, it's so weird to say that but I feel the same. P5 really improved the weak points of P4G with better first hours, deeper gameplay, way better dungeons... But the characters and story just didn't make me involved in the same way. Some of the subplots worked perfectly, but a vague political conspiracy didn't hit as well as a serial killer killing people you know. And the cast of characters is too serious and specific, they don't feel like a bunch of friends like P4G... I hope they'll come back with something more grounded, personal and relatable with P6!