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What generation is the Nintendo Switch?

Generation 8 (PS4, XBoxOne) 71 44.94%
 
Generation 9 57 36.08%
 
Generation 1 (of the hybrid era) 14 8.86%
 
I don't care...I come to VGC for the chicks 16 10.13%
 
Total:158

We are in Generation 9 right now. Generation 8 is just overlapping for the time being. Remember Switch is a 9th generation successor to both the 3DS and Wii U. Not Nintendo's fault no one thought to make a 9th generation handheld competitor. Also, a home console being released 4 years apart is nothing new. Microsoft and Sega already did it. In addition to that what if the Switch outsells the Ps4? Does that mean the Switch is the winner of generation 8 despite it only spending three years as its main rival? Switch being generation 8 will look more and more silly as the years go by. Time converts more than reason.



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super_etecoon said:

Ok...so I'm sure this has been done before, but it seems this concept is derailing a few threads.

The Nintendo Switch succeeded the under-performing WiiU in 2017.  It is a hybrid system (the first of its kind), and has the power of something between a WiiU and a PS4, arguably much closer to the PS4 than the WiiU.

So where do we consider the Switch when it comes to generations?  Do we measure it against the PS4 and XBoxOne (Gen 8), or does it have a very early lead out the gate as the first Next Generation (Gen 9) system?

Or is it possible that it has to fit in its own category considering that it is a new way to play games, straddling the line between handheld and home console.  In that case, when will we see a proper competitor to the system?

There's plenty to debate here, and plenty more is already being debated in other threads.  I just wanted to create a poll, so we get an extra thread to boot.

I am of two minds about it.

From a release window point of view... I would consider the Switch a 9th gen platform... But then the Xbox One X would also be considered 9th gen. (It's not.)

But from a hardware feature set point of view, it's clearly 8th gen and even exceeds the 8th gen consoles in a few areas.
And from a performance perspective... It could be seen as a 7.5 gen device.

At the end of the day... I just don't give a shit what generation a console is, doesn't make a difference to whether the platform is enjoyable or not.

Megiddo said:

I'm curious. What 'tech' did the Wii have that put it in the same generation as the Xbox 360 and the PS3?

Nothing.
Unless someone considers the use of PowerPC ISA as the definer for that gen... But considering it's not exclusive to the 7th gen anyway... Kinda muddies the waters.

RolStoppable said:

4. The common argument that competition defines generations can't be taken seriously until the people who say that start to call the Dreamcast generation 5. But they won't do that, because they know that the Dreamcast is the successor of the Saturn. Despite the Dreamcast featuring all the counter-arguments that are held against Switch being generation 9 in a more pronounced fashion, people arbitrarily choose to call the Dreamcast gen 6 and Switch gen 8.

The thing that makes the Dreamcast generation 5, rather than generation 4... Is that it's hardware feature set had more in common with say... The Playstation 2/Gamecube/Xbox than it did with say... The Playstation 1.
It would have lost soundly in regards to performance though.



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I'd say it's technically "gen 9", if using the parameters of a NINTENDO console succeeding the Wii U. In the dynamic of the larger gaming industry picture, I suppose you could make the argument that it's sort of a gen 8.5, as it's similar in horsepower to the PS4/Xbox One and competing basically directly with them.

But honestly, at this point we may as well just throw out the numbers, as they've pretty much become meaningless, seeing that the big three are no longer close to synchronized in their console releases. This essentially has led to "relative" definitions of what constitutes a "generation" which means there's no longer any point.

The only stable or consistent factors are the console generation within the specific company's timeline and what's it's competing with at its time of release.



Generations are about things in the same time frame, directly competing. So it is gen 8 and if it lives significantly after PS5 and Scarlett release, it will be also Gen 9. The wrong idea here is, that it can only be in one gen.



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Switch it's Gen 9.

3Ds, PSVita, Wii U, PS4 and X1 are part of Gen 8, That makes sense.



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The idea of a Generation has to do with grouping systems together, for the purpose of comparison. With taxonomy. The mistake everyone in this debate makes is to believe that there are some sort of objective criteria -- that we can simply state the facts and determine where Switch belongs. We can't. It is a mostly arbitrary designation.

Analysts now can look at the Switch and say, "Well, the Switch competes against PS4 and XBox One, so it must be in the same generation." But maybe ten or twenty years from now they'll say, "Well, the Switch mostly competed against the PS5 and Scarlett, so it was in that generation." And in either case they'll be equally right/wrong.



Ka-pi96 said:
Azelover said:
It is technically Gen 9.

There is no argument that could possibly deny that, other than silly conjecture. It is the next generation Nintendo console.

You're contradicting yourself.

If its gen is solely based on it being the next Nintendo console then it would be gen 8, since it would be Nintendo's 8th console. Their 1st console was during gen 1, so if every one after that was the next gen then NES would have been gen 2, SNES 3, N64 4, Gamecube 5, Wii 6, Wii U 7 & Switch 8.

Don't be silly my friend. What I said is clear as day. Switch is a Gen ahead of Wii U. It only uses a different set of values to advance itself. Blue Ocean=Value Innovation. Pure horsepower isn't the only metric in existance. And Switch is Gen 9. End of story.



SpokenTruth said:
8.

Generations are more than just the predecessor/successor relationships of flagship consoles but are linked to a market timeline that competes for the same market share and revenue. This has been the accepted definition since the beginning. It's why we have had several instances of multiple consoles by the same company being considered part of the same generation since the very first generation.

Exactly, why can't we accept that two devices from the same company can't fit on one generation?

Wii U and NSW are on the same generation as PS4 and XB1.



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Gen 8.

It's only about the market timeline. Consoles releases in the same window = same generation.



Azelover said:
Ka-pi96 said:

You're contradicting yourself.

If its gen is solely based on it being the next Nintendo console then it would be gen 8, since it would be Nintendo's 8th console. Their 1st console was during gen 1, so if every one after that was the next gen then NES would have been gen 2, SNES 3, N64 4, Gamecube 5, Wii 6, Wii U 7 & Switch 8.

Don't be silly my friend. What I said is clear as day. Switch is a Gen ahead of Wii U. It only uses a different set of values to advance itself. Blue Ocean=Value Innovation. Pure horsepower isn't the only metric in existance. And Switch is Gen 9. End of story.

I'm not the one using an incredibly narrow definition of generation, a definition that actually contradicts what I'm saying too. That's you. So if anybody is being silly it's you.

If a console is always the gen after it's predecessor (as you claim it to be) then Switch is gen 8. That's indisputable.



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