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Forums - Sales Discussion - Japan Sales Week 50 Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - December 10 -16 2018

animegaming said:
Replicant said:

Also, Dragon Quest XI should've gone with a simultaneous worldwide release. It did wonders for Monster Hunter World.

By the time DQ XI released in the West, the hype was gone and everyone interested had already seen the whole game on youtube/twitch/etc.

While the world wide release did help Monster Hunter, I am not sure if it would of done the same for Dragon's Quest. Yakuza 0 took almost 2 years to release in the west and through good wood of mouth, it manage to be the breakout title in the west for the series. 

Dragon's Quest problem in the west might have with the lack of nostalgia for the brand that Japan has and of course Square's lack of marketing. Since I don't think it really has much to do with the actual games themselves since Persona 5 and Octopath Traveler prove that turn base JRPG's not named Pokemon can sell a million copies outside of Japan and the character is done by the most famous Manga artist of all time.

Maybe you're right about the lack of nostalgia in the West and I agree that it wouldn't have seen anywhere near Monster Hunter World success no matter what but I still think it would've improved its Western performance to some extent. As you say, it didn't get a marketing push at all in the West. We actually heard more about the game in the weeks leading up to its Japanese launch but this also shows the importance of a simultaneous worldwide release. Focus every penny on 1 big push.



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PwerlvlAmy said:
Amnesia said:
Next week is the biggest one for the Switch, we will now if they make it to 20M.

Yeah, if what people think is true, it will prob dwarf everyone again, if it keeps expectations 

Let's hope lol...I just bought 14 Nintendo shares. If they make it to 20M or at least 19,5, it could be huge...



animegaming said:
Farsala said:

How much has DQXI sold in the west?

We don't really know, but it was only like number 14 on the NPD when it release back in September and wasn't on the October or November list. 

Yeah, that is just NPD though. Sometimes Europe and other western countries have different tastes to USA. I hope they update numbers on DQXI this quarter or next.



Replicant said:

Also, Dragon Quest XI should've gone with a simultaneous worldwide release. It did wonders for Monster Hunter World.

By the time DQ XI released in the West, the hype was gone and everyone interested had already seen the whole game on youtube/twitch/etc.

Precisely what makes me fear for the Switch version... and a non-Japanese release of that game



Kerotan said:
This thread is very quiet this week, everyone must be over in the era one!

So amazon Japan. Smash and switch are king but ps4 is right up there at #5 and DQB2 at 7. I wonder will both have a decent week 51. I hope so.

That thread is not a great place for anything PlayStation and I think you are long enough on this site to know that convo here die after 1-2 days. 

Just reading thru it. Someone even posted that it was wrong to released it to PS4 as if  every game released to Switch are instant success. Blaming the platform and not the publisher who sent it to die. DQ was actually lucky to have sold about the same  with DQ IX.

Replicant said:
animegaming said:

Well I don't have an era account, but there is a lot of interesting discussions going on in their thread. Like last night when they talked how Monster Hunter become one of the best selling games in the west this year, while Dragon Quest 11 flopped in the west. Admittedly wish I did had one just so I can throw my two cents in that topic since I came to the realization that Dragon Quest in the west is pretty similar to Star Wars in China right now.  

Also, Dragon Quest XI should've gone with a simultaneous worldwide release. It did wonders for Monster Hunter World.

By the time DQ XI released in the West, the hype was gone and everyone interested had already seen the whole game on youtube/twitch/etc.

It's all about timing. Persona 5 did great on a non busy week. Nier as well. Although I agree it's nice to have Japanese games release simultaneously outside Japan.

animegaming said:
Replicant said:

Also, Dragon Quest XI should've gone with a simultaneous worldwide release. It did wonders for Monster Hunter World.

By the time DQ XI released in the West, the hype was gone and everyone interested had already seen the whole game on youtube/twitch/etc.

While the world wide release did help Monster Hunter, I am not sure if it would of done the same for Dragon's Quest. Yakuza 0 took almost 2 years to release in the west and through good wood of mouth, it manage to be the breakout title in the west for the series. 

Dragon's Quest problem in the west might have with the lack of nostalgia for the brand that Japan has and of course Square's lack of marketing. Since I don't think it really has much to do with the actual games themselves since Persona 5 and Octopath Traveler prove that turn base JRPG's not named Pokemon can sell a million copies outside of Japan and the character is done by the most famous Manga artist of all time.

I think the real problem is they release to close to Spider-Man.  Some people underestimate the PS fans hype. PS4 fans are talking about Spider-Man and all their focus is with it. If DQXI was release on a non busy release date. DQ XI could have done better. SE got it right with NIER and Atlus got it right with P5. Release it when you are not competing with other games especially big games. Same thing happened with Hitman and Valkyria chronicles. The reason Sony keeps delaying Days Gone. 

Marketing aswell, it's like SE send it to die. 

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Yeah at least Sony get the memo. Instead of sending days gone out to die they release it at a time when it has a chance. If it fails it's because it wasn't good enough and nothing else. Release it in november and it might fail even if it is good enough.



Amnesia said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

Yeah, if what people think is true, it will prob dwarf everyone again, if it keeps expectations 

Let's hope lol...I just bought 14 Nintendo shares. If they make it to 20M or at least 19,5, it could be huge...

Switch can do 19.90mil forbthe FY and we still get doomed articles lol



tbone51 said:
Amnesia said:

Let's hope lol...I just bought 14 Nintendo shares. If they make it to 20M or at least 19,5, it could be huge...

Switch can do 19.90mil forbthe FY and we still get doomed articles lol

No...From 19,5M it will be considered as a victory. 20M+ will be a positive shock new.

I think 1 year ago they could have estimated that 19 or 19,5 was realistic, but in term of communication and marketing, anouncing an ambitious 20M certainly has produced more debate and more market-hype effect which at the end, contributed to maximize the result.

"we should reach 19M. In the worst scenario 18,5M..."

"Ok, let's announce 20M !"

 

No...? Maybe I am still dumb...I have learnt in this life that over confidence brings better results than too low confidence.



animegaming said:
Farsala said:

How much has DQXI sold in the west?

We don't really know, but it was only like number 14 on the NPD when it release back in September and wasn't on the October or November list. 

They said it was already more than double the previous best first month sales for Dragon Quest.



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outlawauron said:
animegaming said:

We don't really know, but it was only like number 14 on the NPD when it release back in September and wasn't on the October or November list. 

They said it was already more than double the previous best first month sales for Dragon Quest.

In terms of revenue, it also cost twice as much as the previous record holder so essentially a wash.



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