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Mr Puggsly said:
OTBWY said:

Free market bro.

Either way, this was not the intent of the free market. Having major companies working together to control influence of the public.

What? That's absolutely the end goal of Laissez-faire capitalism that "free market" enterprise (American anyhow) is rooted in.

Let me guess. You've never heard of a "company store" have you?



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Megiddo said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Either way, this was not the intent of the free market. Having major companies working together to control influence of the public.

What? That's absolutely the end goal of Laissez-faire capitalism that "free market" enterprise (American anyhow) is rooted in.

Let me guess. You've never heard of a "company store" have you?

So the end goal was for a few major companies to working together to crush opposing views? I missed that somewhere.

I think your argument is a huge stretch. Also antithetical to existing laws which are supposed to stand against stuff like this.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Megiddo said:

What? That's absolutely the end goal of Laissez-faire capitalism that "free market" enterprise (American anyhow) is rooted in.

Let me guess. You've never heard of a "company store" have you?

So the end goal was for a few major companies to working together to crush opposing views? I missed that somewhere.

Uh, duh? Yes. That is the end goal. Mega-corporations controlling everything that they can.

As far as giant corporations crushing opposing views. Yes, that is what they will do.

You are embarrassingly uninformed about this. Read up on the Ludlow Massacre for one. Corporations will slaughter people if it gets in the way of their profits. For you see, the only thing that matters to a corporation is money.



There will eventually be a revolt of platforms that actually support free speech rising among the ranks. You can't suppress free speech and have a monopoly on and control the flow of information without expecting a major backlash. It's already starting with platforms like Duck Duck Go, Subscribestar, and Gab.

I lean left but I'm definitly noticing a covert and subtle but persistant and increasing silencing and deplatforming of conservatives and libertarian viewpoints. I find it abhorrent personally. Yes, I know it's within the rights of these corporations not to abide by the 1st Amendment, since they're A - global and B - not government entities. Doesn't make it right, or that the people should stand for it. Thankfully, the good thing about free markets is that they will always have the final say. And if Patreon is really going down as dark a road as I suspect, their bottom line will suffer, with the mass exodus of people leaving the platform. This is the way to hit these companies; financially, as it's the only language they understand.



 

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Megiddo said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Either way, this was not the intent of the free market. Having major companies working together to control influence of the public.

What? That's absolutely the end goal of Laissez-faire capitalism that "free market" enterprise (American anyhow) is rooted in.

Let me guess. You've never heard of a "company store" have you?

" That's absolutely the end goal of Laissez-faire capitalism that "free market" enterprise "

the end goal of free markets are to suppress competition?

can you define free market for me? and in that definition explain how the point is to suppress opposition

 

beyond that explain what a better alternative is... for government to control everything instead?



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Megiddo said:
Mr Puggsly said:

So the end goal was for a few major companies to working together to crush opposing views? I missed that somewhere.

Uh, duh? Yes. That is the end goal. Mega-corporations controlling everything that they can.

As far as giant corporations crushing opposing views. Yes, that is what they will do.

You are embarrassingly uninformed about this. Read up on the Ludlow Massacre for one. Corporations will slaughter people if it gets in the way of their profits. For you see, the only thing that matters to a corporation is money.

This is what happens when you learn about economics from a socialist.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Megiddo said:

Uh, duh? Yes. That is the end goal. Mega-corporations controlling everything that they can.

As far as giant corporations crushing opposing views. Yes, that is what they will do.

You are embarrassingly uninformed about this. Read up on the Ludlow Massacre for one. Corporations will slaughter people if it gets in the way of their profits. For you see, the only thing that matters to a corporation is money.

This is what happens when you learn about economics from a socialist.

exactly and the thing that always gets me is that these people are here using computers with internet connections on a video game forum and cannot for some reason acknowledge the contradiction in their brains...

how do people think any of these things came into existence? its through competition dummies!!!

i swear its the most bizarre thing i have ever experienced

i'm starting to wonder if its the result of isolation away from the actual operations that produce the products we use and maintain our services that leads to this kind of ignorance and it seems to be the case in some cases

the other thing is that if you care so much about the poor, put your money where your mouth is and sell all of this unnecessary crap like video games and invest that into funding social programs for the poor and dedicate the time you would spend posting here to that cause

you don't do it because the truth is that you really don't care about the poor, its virtue signalling bullshit

Last edited by o_O.Q - on 18 December 2018

o_O.Q said:
Megiddo said:

What? That's absolutely the end goal of Laissez-faire capitalism that "free market" enterprise (American anyhow) is rooted in.

Let me guess. You've never heard of a "company store" have you?

can you define free market for me? and in that definition explain how the point is to suppress opposition

Laissez-faire capitalism is based around the idea of no government intervention whatsoever in private business. The government is "hands off" and leaves private business to do what it wants.

The point of a corporation is to make money. If there is something that is impeding a corporation from making money then they will do what they can to remove the impediment.

Let's use an example. Dollar General and Family Dollar are both entities that serve pretty much the same purpose. They are competitors vying for the same consumers and are each impeding the other from making more money. What usually happens in a free market?  Why, they merge! And in Family Dollar's case, it was very much an unwanted merger. That doesn't matter though, because Dollar General had the ability to threaten a hostile takeover by buying up Family Dollar's stock. That resulted in the merger.

Sources:

https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2014/0910/Dollar-General-attempts-hostile-takeover-of-Family-Dollar.-What-s-a-hostile-takeover

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/03/business/dealbook/dollar-tree-and-family-dollar-will-sell-330-stores-to-seal-merger-deal.html

That is the free market. That is suppressing the opposition by buying them out and removing competition to get close to monopolizing the market and to have full control

 

So now, I've done a good deal of teaching. I don't mind the lesson, but it's boring when there's no actual discussion going on. Feel free to bring up your own thoughts if you can manage to sort them out clearly.



Mr Puggsly said:
melbye said:

The alternatives gets shut down by far left activists. See Gab and SubscribeStar

Bingo, Google and Apple have also removed apps or platforms from their own stores simply because they opposed views being shared on them.

Or alternatively because they are hangouts for Nazis and Mass Murders, but what is the difference, right?



sundin13 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Bingo, Google and Apple have also removed apps or platforms from their own stores simply because they opposed views being shared on them.

Or alternatively because they are hangouts for Nazis and Mass Murders, but what is the difference, right?

Right, none of that on major platforms. There's also the problem of the websites showing bias, trying to cover up shadow banning, not giving valid reasons why they've targeted right leaning people, etc.

I mean forget about the worst case scenarios of Nazis (like real ones from the 1940s) and violent criminals, they're banning people for stuff way more innocuous and giving in to pressure of left wing groups. There are people not worth defending being banned, but they're going after people are worth defending as well.

Its kinda like when discussing abortions with a left winger. The first thing they start with is rapes and incest. When about 99% of abortions are neither of those.



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