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LurkerJ on 18 December 2018

 

Two prominent members of the so-called Intellectual Dark Web are considering drastic action after popular crowdfunding platform Patreon removed a slew of conservative accounts over speech issues.

Free speech advocate Jordan Peterson and podcaster Sam Harris are striking back after Patreon removed popular YouTuber Carl Benjamin, aka Sargon of Akkad. Peterson, a clinical psychologist by trade, is brainstorming alternatives to the site while Harris deleted his account entirely.

“We’ve been engaged in lengthy series of email exchanges with all of the people in our network, and no one is happy at all with what’s been happening,” Peterson said in a videoreleased Sunday. “We’ve been determining what our options are. We looked at Subscribe Star, but it looks like PayPal decided to cut funding out from them.”

“While the company insists that each was in violation of its terms of service, these recent expulsions seem more readily explained by political bias,” Harris added. “Although I don’t share the politics of the banned members, I consider it no longer tenable to expose any part of my podcast funding to the whims of Patreon’s ‘Trust and Safety’ committee.”

Peterson, for his part, is a die-hard free speech advocate, despite having targeted some critics with lawsuits. He alleged in June that faculty at Wilfrid Laurier University defamed him when they dressed-down a teaching assistant for showing a video of Peterson debating gender-neutral pronouns with an opponent. (RELATED: Jordan Peterson Threatens To Sue Feminist Professor Who Called Him An Incel)

Peterson gained fame during the past two years partially because of his criticisms of political correctness. He has also been critical of global warming alarmism, and earlier in 2018 said “you can’t trust the data” because of the politicization in climate science.

Patreon did not immediately respond to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/17/jordan-peterson-sam-harris-patreon/

 


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I was asked to add more to the OP. My take on the matter: I don't have a problem with Patreon de-platforming Sargon, all I see here is an opportunity for a competitors to compete with Patreon and leverage what happened to their advantage.

Hats off to Sam Harris, who had one of the top grossing-accounts on Patreon. I didn't realize Sam Harris needed an introduction, but here we go; Sam Harris is a neuroscientist, philosopher, and best-selling author, one of the few people on the left with sensible views on Islam and Muslims. 

Sargon is a political commentator, listening to him I don't know if he leans left or right. He used racial slurs to insult a Nazi and Patreon decided that was enough to de-platform him. Sargon isn't a racist.

I personally have a habit of calling homophobes "gay" to their faces because it drives them mad. Am I a homophobe now?

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OTBWY on 18 December 2018
SpokenTruth said:
So a free speech advocate is so mad that a private entity is enforcing their terms of service that he closes his account with them.

Ok.

Yes. They don't have to use the platform sooooo, bye bye.



Mr Puggsly on 18 December 2018
SpokenTruth said:
So a free speech advocate is so mad that a private entity is enforcing their terms of service that he closes his account with them.

Ok.

Bullshit, Patreon was simply designed as a middle man that allows people to support content creators. This worked great for people with conservative, libertarian, or anything considered right leaning. These are the views pushed aside by mass media.

All of a sudden we many major media platforms trying to put the kibosh on this because they tend to be run by people with left leaning views. Essentially we have a monopoly on what views and speech are okay on the biggest platforms. They're supposed to just be platforms, they even get government protections for simply being platforms. They didn't become major platforms for banning people with opposing views, they became major platforms then decided to control speech. Essentially these companies got something of a monopoly and now abuse their power and they collude.

The only way you can neglect something so obvious is because you support their cause, you want them to silence your enemies.



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Mr Puggsly on 18 December 2018
OTBWY said:
SpokenTruth said:
So a free speech advocate is so mad that a private entity is enforcing their terms of service that he closes his account with them.

Ok.

Yes. They don't have to use the platform sooooo, bye bye.

The best case scenario is the abuse of major platforms is going to help competitors thrive.

But when we see major domain provider, credit card companies, Paypal, and other companies that arguably have some sort of monopoly refusing to work with people. That's when we have a real problem and it does happen. Again, they didn't pull this shit when they were creating their platform, only after they thrived and crushed competitors.



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OTBWY on 18 December 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
OTBWY said:

Yes. They don't have to use the platform sooooo, bye bye.

The best case scenario is the abuse of major platforms is going to help competitors thrive.

But when we see major domain provider, credit card companies, Paypal, and other companies that arguably have some sort of monopoly refusing to work with people. That's when we have a real problem and it does happen. Again, they didn't pull this shit when they were creating their platform, only after they thrived and crushed competitors.

Free market bro.



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melbye on 18 December 2018
SpokenTruth said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Bullshit, Patreon was simply designed as a middle man that allows people to support content creators. This worked great for people with conservative, libertarian, or anything considered right leaning. These are the views pushed aside by mass media.

All of a sudden we many major media platforms trying to put the kibosh on this because they tend to be run by people with left leaning views. Essentially we have a monopoly on what views and speech are okay on the biggest platforms. They're supposed to just be platforms, they even get government protections for simply being platforms. They didn't become major platforms for banning people with opposing views, they became major platforms then decided to control speech. Essentially these companies got something of a monopoly and now abuse their power and they collude.

The only way you can neglect something so obvious is because you support their cause, you want them to silence your enemies.

Then were are the major right leaning platforms?  Or can only left leaning people create such things?

The alternatives gets shut down by far left activists. See Gab and SubscribeStar



Moren on 18 December 2018

Is this as legitimate as the "bias" Facebook, Twitter and Google have?

I have a feeling Patreon will be fine.



Mr Puggsly on 18 December 2018
melbye said:
SpokenTruth said:

Then were are the major right leaning platforms?  Or can only left leaning people create such things?

The alternatives gets shut down by far left activists. See Gab and SubscribeStar

Bingo, Google and Apple have also removed apps or platforms from their own stores simply because they opposed views being shared on them.



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Mr Puggsly on 18 December 2018
OTBWY said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The best case scenario is the abuse of major platforms is going to help competitors thrive.

But when we see major domain provider, credit card companies, Paypal, and other companies that arguably have some sort of monopoly refusing to work with people. That's when we have a real problem and it does happen. Again, they didn't pull this shit when they were creating their platform, only after they thrived and crushed competitors.

Free market bro.

I used to think the same until I took until I took into consideration the "free market" has many major platforms/companies colluding against creators.

There is no single solution to this problem though. For example, if YouTube want to control speech on their site then they should be responsible for everything uploaded on their site. If that happened, YouTube would be ruined because they're protected and profit from what users put on their site without being punished for all copywritten material they share.

Either way, this was not the intent of the free market. Having major companies working together to control influence of the public.



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Mr Puggsly on 18 December 2018

SpokenTruth said:

Then were are the major right leaning platforms?  Or can only left leaning people create such things?

I don't know what happens with these companies. They probably had left wing people from the start, but they kept politics out of it as they were growing.

Once they became major platforms, maybe they felt a need to be virtuous and silence views. Maybe other powerful companies encourage them to silence people which is the collusion aspect we've already seen. These companies tend to be in left leaning cities so they're in a vacuum of thought.

We've also moved to a place where the ToS are completely arbitrary and convoluted. Instead of simply controlling speech on their platforms, they've gone as far as banning people simply for things they've said elsewhere. Sargon of Akkad is a good example, it appears he was banned from Patreon due to video that was no way related to Patreon.

Due to all of this, we need new platforms for creators. This is what left wingers are pushing, free market and what not. The only problem is you have major companies colluding against competitors and creators.

Essentially, right leaning people/skeptics/etc are continuing to work on platforms they aren't wanted on because that's where viewers are. While these same platforms are trying to silence them in various ways like cutting their funding, shadow banning, changing the ToS to work against them, etc. But people have to fight back and keep exposing what major platforms are doing. The end goal of these platforms is controling what views we are exposed to.

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