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pikashoe said:
Sahib said:
Nintendo is easily the most risk averse big publisher as far as home consoles market goes. The sheer lack of new IPs by Nintendo is astonishing.

I'll point you to my previous post to show you how ridiculously wrong you are.

Already seen it and that list is pathetic compared to even MS.



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Baddman said:
DonFerrari said:

I wouldn't ever imagine more than 20-30 Megaman games, even more because there are always people asking for more. Talk about unremarkable.

Gamers could probably pull from memory 100 Mario games though.

Not sure what you're trying to say but I owned more than 50 Megaman games which is more than any other IP before a fire took it all away :(

What I mean is that I wasn't aware that Megaman had so many games and that Mario is much more memorable. What is there to disagree on my knowledge of one and general acceptance of the other?



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ResilientFighter said:
Yeah they lack innovative IPs and only a few new ones surface every decade

Splatoon, ARMS, Labo, 1-2 Switch, Snipperclips, Sushi Striker, Dragalia Lost (Mobile game but still)? Where have you been for the last 2 years? 

Sahib said: 
pikashoe said: 

I'll point you to my previous post to show you how ridiculously wrong you are.

Already seen it and that list is pathetic compared to even MS.

How is it pathetic? 

* ARMS

* Labo

* 1-2 Switch

* Snipperclips

* Sushi Striker

and if you want to count 3DS and mobile games

* Ever Oasis

* Dragalia Lost

And that's in just under 2 years. I'd like to see Microsoft put out this many in that time. BTW, I was comparing Nintendo to other Japanese publishers like Capcom and Sega, not Sony and Microsoft. 

Last edited by TheMisterManGuy - on 17 December 2018

 

TheMisterManGuy said:
ResilientFighter said:
Yeah they lack innovative IPs and only a few new ones surface every decade

Splatoon, ARMS, Labo, 1-2 Switch, Snipperclips, Sushi Striker, Dragalia Lost (Mobile game but still)? Where have you been for the last 2 years? 

Like he said the number of new IPs from Nintendo is sad. Even more so in the console space, and the few that they do fund are pretty much indie level productions.

MS gets a lot of flack for rehashing same couple IPs but Nintendo is far worse than even MS.



Sahib said:

 

TheMisterManGuy said:

Splatoon, ARMS, Labo, 1-2 Switch, Snipperclips, Sushi Striker, Dragalia Lost (Mobile game but still)? Where have you been for the last 2 years? 

Like he said the number of new IPs from Nintendo is sad. Even more so in the console space, and the few that they do fund are pretty much indie level productions.

MS gets a lot of flack for rehashing same couple IPs but Nintendo is far worse than even MS.

So even after i list you like 6-7 games, you still choose to ignore facts and make up shit with no evidence. How is Nintendo worse than Microsoft? Show me when Microsoft put out 7 New IPs in less than 2 years. AAA budgets or no, these games count. 



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pokoko said:
I don't see much point in that comparison, to be honest. Nintendo has far more money to spend, a build-in platform for pushing their own content, and a need to produce software to sell their console. Not even close to the same starting point.

And as far as comparing game budgets between third-party and first-party efforts, first-party titles do not have the same overhead. It's not the same situation and people need to stop acting like it's not going to be more expensive for a third-party publisher to produce the same content.

Besides, you can't much fault companies for Yakuza or Monster Hunter when Nintendo has developed over 11,000 Mario-themed games in the same timespan.

Yes. Not only they're far richer, but they sell consoles and besides their new IPs, they have Mario and Pokemon that basically never change and keep them making loads of money.

With Mario, Pokemon and Zelda, they're always good. Mario doesn't change much and sells anyway. Pokemon the same. Zelda is for getting 95 on Metacritic. So they've got an extraordinary platform for trying new things that companies like Sega and Capcom just couldn't afford trying.



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VAMatt said:
I generally agree with the OP. But, it must be remembered that Nintendo's whoring out of Mario is in a whole different ballpark than everyone else in gaming. They shoehorned him into racing, fighting, sports, turn based RPGs, action RPGs, puzzles, party games, and just about every major genre out there, excluding shooters. I'm surprised Splatoon isn't set in the Mario universe, frankly.

Nobody else does anything like this. So, in some senses, Nintendo is the least adventurous.

The one thing you have to hand to Nintendo is their ability to take that specific IP and Make it successful no matter what. Not many publishers can say the same.



JSG87 said:
VAMatt said:
I generally agree with the OP. But, it must be remembered that Nintendo's whoring out of Mario is in a whole different ballpark than everyone else in gaming. They shoehorned him into racing, fighting, sports, turn based RPGs, action RPGs, puzzles, party games, and just about every major genre out there, excluding shooters. I'm surprised Splatoon isn't set in the Mario universe, frankly.

Nobody else does anything like this. So, in some senses, Nintendo is the least adventurous.

The one thing you have to hand to Nintendo is their ability to take that specific IP and Make it successful no matter what. Not many publishers can say the same.

Oh yeah. They do a great job squeezing pennies out of Mario's ass.  And, they seem to have pulled it off without really watering down the brand. That's because they continue to make quality software. Mario has had a handful of duds attached to his name, but Nintendo just doesn't make enough duds to ruin the brand, I guess.

Mario is clearly the most powerful IP in gaming. I can't even think of anything else that comes remotely close.  Good on Nintendo for making use of him, and good on Nintendo for not running him into the ground, somehow.



TheMisterManGuy said:
Sahib said:

 

Like he said the number of new IPs from Nintendo is sad. Even more so in the console space, and the few that they do fund are pretty much indie level productions.

MS gets a lot of flack for rehashing same couple IPs but Nintendo is far worse than even MS.

So even after i list you like 6-7 games, you still choose to ignore facts and make up shit with no evidence. How is Nintendo worse than Microsoft? Show me when Microsoft put out 7 New IPs in less than 2 years. AAA budgets or no, these games count. 

Why 2 years? Seems like an arbitrary number of years to make the comparison. how about this we do a comparison of a the current generation of consoles, i’ll Even combine Nintendo’s new IPs for both WiiU and Switch. 

Nintendo new IPs for Wii U and Switch:

Wonderful 101

Splatoon

Arms

1-2 Switch 

 Labo 

Snipperclips

 

 

***Octopath Traveller is a SE IP not Nintendo, like Ryse is a Cryrek IP not MS.

 

Microsoft new IPs for XB1:

Sunset Overdrive

Quantum Break

Recore 

Sea of Thieves

Crimson Dragon

Ori and the Blind Forest

Screamride 

 

KALIMBA

 

MS has a good edge on Nintendo, although both look irrelevant compared to Sony.

 

Sony new IPs for PS4:

  1. Bloodborne
  2. Horizon Zero Dawn
  3. The Last Guardian
  4. Detroit: Become Human
  5. Dreams
  6. Until Dawn
  7. Driveclub
  8. The Order 1886
  9. Knack
  10. Death Stranding
  11. Days Gone
  12. Ghost of Tsushima
  13. Concrete Genie
  14. The Tomorrow Children 
  15. What Remains of Edith Finch
  16. Everybody's gone to the Rapture
  17. Drawn to Death
  18. Kill strain
  19. Alienation
  20. Matterfall
  21. Bound
  22. Helldivers
  23. Resogun
  24. Hohokum
  25. Guns Up
  26. Entwined
  27. CounterSpy
  28. Here They Lie
  29. Hidden Agenda
  30. Erica
  31. Astrobot 
  32. RIGS
  33. Starblood Arena
  34. Farpoint 
  35. Blood and Truth
  36. Bravo Team
  37. Deracine 


JSG87 said:
VAMatt said:
I generally agree with the OP. But, it must be remembered that Nintendo's whoring out of Mario is in a whole different ballpark than everyone else in gaming. They shoehorned him into racing, fighting, sports, turn based RPGs, action RPGs, puzzles, party games, and just about every major genre out there, excluding shooters. I'm surprised Splatoon isn't set in the Mario universe, frankly.

Nobody else does anything like this. So, in some senses, Nintendo is the least adventurous.

The one thing you have to hand to Nintendo is their ability to take that specific IP and Make it successful no matter what. Not many publishers can say the same.

I’m sorry what? When was the last time Nintendo made a new IP that was critically acclaimed and a huge seller?