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Machina said:

This night is for my nan, who died earlier this year before her vote to leave was enacted, thinking (as I did) that it was going to be overturned, her death and those of other voters like her cheered on by the more unpleasant parts of the remain campaign.

I wish she was alive to see that the games the remain side have played since 2016 have all been for nought and we will now leave. She helped to correct what she viewed as her generation's mistake to join (or more accurately, to remain; MPs took us in without a vote in the first place) in 2016. This is for you nan x

Why did she view it as a mistake? (did she ever say?)

The 1960's economy in the UK was in the dumps, and the EU helped giveing them favorable deals time and time again.
It was obviously good for jobs/economy of the nation.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
RolStoppable said:
I was surprised by the results at first, but then I read that the UK uses the winner-takes-all system. The election map looks like a strong concentration of Labour wins in cities, but the big cities account for fewer districts than rural areas. The majority of Scotland went to the Scottish party.

Does any place show the stats in the form of a popular vote for the UK as a whole?

This might help you:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/dec/12/uk-general-election-2019-full-results-live-labour-conservatives-tories

You can click on every constituency to see the detailed results for each of them. Below you can see the result of the popular vote.

Also, poor LibDems. Gained 4% in votes but lost half of their seats.

Turnout looked high at first, with long queues, but in the end it were only 67% of the voters who actually used their right to vote.

Percentage of total seats being higher than the percentage of total votes is normal even in proper democratic elections because the votes for the lesser parties who don't pass a minimum %-threshold get wiped away. A winner-takes-all system, however, can have a very different dynamic as especially the results for the Liberal Democrats shows who were more popular this election, but suffered a loss in seats anyway.

Conservatives - 43.6% of votes, 56.2% of seats.
Labour - 32.2% of votes, 31.2% of seats.
Scottish National Party - 3.9% of votes, 7.4% of seats.
Liberal Democrat - 11.6% of votes, 1.7% of seats.

I can't be bothered to do the same for the parties with sub-10 seats. Just some maths exercise that I can't read much into, because I don't know which stance on Brexit each party has and how a popular vote would have changed the results.



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2019 UK general election results

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Official · 650/650 seats

326 needed for majority

Votes
Party and leader Seats Share Count
Conservative Party
Boris Johnson
365 43.6% 13,966,565
Labour Party
Jeremy Corbyn
203 32.2% 10,295,607
Scottish National Party
Nicola Sturgeon
48 3.9% 1,242,372
Liberal Democrats
Jo Swinson
11 11.6% 3,696,423
Democratic Unionist Party
Arlene Foster
8 0.8% 244,128
Sinn Féin
Mary Lou McDonald
7 0.6% 181,853
Plaid Cymru
Adam Price
4 0.5% 153,265
Green Party
Jonathan Bartley & Siân Berry Am
1 2.7% 865,697
Brexit Party
Nigel Farage
0 2% 642,303
UK Independence Party
Patricia Mountain
0 0.1% 22,817
Other parties
3 2% 700,886
Source: PA Media via dpa-infocom. 
Last edited by LurkerJ - on 13 December 2019

Make no mistake: Farage won it for Johnson

Farage spent the rest of the campaign travelling predominantly to Labour leave seats, albeit to greatly diminished crowds compared to the big rallies seen earlier in the year. But while the shine had gone from the Brexit party, and it ended up winning no seats, its campaign has had a major impact on the election.

One of the early results of the election night, a Labour hold in Sunderland Central by 2,964 votes, was striking for the swing. Labour was down 13.4%, Conservatives up slightly by 2%, while the Brexit party had a swing of 11.6% from a standing start. When the first 10 seats were in, in mostly northern and Midlands seats, there was nearly a 10% drop for Labour, while the Conservatives were only up 2.1% and the Brexit party was scooping up a 6% swing.

In some places the Conservatives gained seats from Labour on modest swings, while the Brexit party got swings of more than 10%. In Don Valley, Caroline Flint’s 2017 majority of 5,169 appears to have been swallowed up by the Brexit party – which won 6,247 votes as the Tories took the seat. A similar dynamic appears to have taken place in Tony Blair’s former seat of Sedgefield.

Farage, whatever you think of him, was right. Many Labour leavers, who couldn’t bring themselves to vote Tory, did vote for the Brexit party.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/brexit-party-nigel-farage-boris-johnson-labour-leavers

Farage should stick around and take his time, build a strong party and hold Johnson accountable. 



Maybe if Jezza refused to budge to the "People's Vote" drivel, they would've won. Labour got hit the most in Leave areas for a reason. Not many Labour Remain constituencies flipped compared to their Leave ones, all for pandering to the Blairites.

I'm sad for him, but happy for Britain and also Sturgeon. Sad to know she's not aware Indyref would end with Remain Scotland ejected from the EU, but without England sticking around unless they joined Ireland. 

Also, glad that Swinson got dragged. She had it coming. 



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    JRPGfan said:
    Machina said:

    This night is for my nan, who died earlier this year before her vote to leave was enacted, thinking (as I did) that it was going to be overturned, her death and those of other voters like her cheered on by the more unpleasant parts of the remain campaign.

    I wish she was alive to see that the games the remain side have played since 2016 have all been for nought and we will now leave. She helped to correct what she viewed as her generation's mistake to join (or more accurately, to remain; MPs took us in without a vote in the first place) in 2016. This is for you nan x

    Why did she view it as a mistake? (did she ever say?)

    The 1960's economy in the UK was in the dumps, and the EU helped giveing them favorable deals time and time again.
    It was obviously good for jobs/economy of the nation.

    Primarily for the same reason she (and I) voted to leave in 2016 - political independence and self-determination (and for me, the supremacy of EU law). The economics argument was won by remain imo, and I don't disagree with it (I'm that rare breed of EFTA-arian Leave voter), but there are more important things than GDP growth for much of the UK electorate.



    JRPGfan said:
    UK trade with other nations =

    EU makes up 60% of import trade, 55%+ export trade for the UK (indirect ties, and its higher than 55%).
    US makes up 8% of import trade, 13% of export trade for the UK.

    The EU is a huge part of trade for the UK.
    I dont get why you would want to leave without a deal in place, this can cause huge impacts on the economy.

    Same reason I want the US off the podium: it might be crap at the start, but depending on a single benefactor is never a good sign. I want to be able to say "well, I don't like it! F*** you!" and look for someone else. 



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      AsGryffynn said:

      Same reason I want the US off the podium: it might be crap at the start, but depending on a single benefactor is never a good sign. I want to be able to say "well, I don't like it! F*** you!" and look for someone else. 

      the UK was able to say "I don't like it! F*** you!" within the EU with their veto right though

      there is an argument to be made, that they might have less say over what they do outside the EU, as the future FTA will certainly necessitate that the UK implements standards the EU has agreed upon (now without them having a veto right)



      AsGryffynn said:
      JRPGfan said:
      UK trade with other nations =

      EU makes up 60% of import trade, 55%+ export trade for the UK (indirect ties, and its higher than 55%).
      US makes up 8% of import trade, 13% of export trade for the UK.

      The EU is a huge part of trade for the UK.
      I dont get why you would want to leave without a deal in place, this can cause huge impacts on the economy.

      Same reason I want the US off the podium: it might be crap at the start, but depending on a single benefactor is never a good sign. I want to be able to say "well, I don't like it! F*** you!" and look for someone else. 

      You realise that you cant just always go trade with other people right?
      Others might not want the goods you sell, or not value them as much as your current partners do.
      Also theres the logistics of it, some goods cant handle going half way around the world, if their processed in the UK, or might spoil on the trip.
      This results in productiong moveing away from the UK (loss of jobs) and restructing of what it can trade/produce.

      Overall its gonna have a impact, when you transition.

      Thats before you have to factor in that in the EU theres alot of protections, that mean everyone that trades, do it on same terms.
      In the US the UK will have to compete with lower wages, GMO crops, ect ect.

      This will result in less gains pr item traded. (or lowered wages, so UK can compete)

      The UK is gonna be alot poorer for its "right to choose, where it goes", because ironically the terms it had in the EU was pretty great.

      Also the US had terms, when they proposed a trade deal.
      From a position of strength, the US is gonna screw over the UK in any deal they make imo.

      Last edited by JRPGfan - on 15 December 2019

      Bofferbrauer2 said:
      Pyro as Bill said:
      This was supposed to be one of the worst days in history for a PM and he just smashed the opposition.

      Geoffrey Cox and Dom Cummings were supposed to be getting the chop before the day finished and yet both are on top of the world. The media and political commentators have no idea what world they're in.

      This disgraceful, cowardly parliament isn't fit to sit. They have no honour.

      They can try all the tricks they want. These Turkeys can't stop time and unfortunately for them, Christmas is Coming.

      Once Boris wins the election, all the remainer bullshit will be repealed and Tony Blair's silly little court will be smashed so we can go back to real English Law instead of the meme judges and their brooches.

      Now that's a big "if". And an even bigger if is to get any kind of majority with about 30% of the votes and some additional 10-15% from the Brexit party and DUP. The Tories rose to high 30's after Johnson got elected but are coming crashing down since he humiliated himself in Luxembourg, his failed Prorogation, not being able to win any votes in Parliament...

      I do agree that the UK will leave without a Deal - but that's all due to being totally headless right now and no direction has a majority. Not No Deal (Tories and Brexit Party, maybe DUP), not Corbyn and his own version of a deal, not remain (LibDems, SNP, Sinn Fein, Green, Plaid Cymru). And a new election will just make it worse and solve nothing, as both the big parties loose a lot while the smaller ones win quite a bit, making the balance of powers even more even than they were before. So, still headless, still unable to do anything, let alone bring the country forward. It just brings the UK out of the EU since nobody is there to make a deal or get it through parliament since it's so fractured on the theme of Brexit.

      All the things the media/political analysts thought hurt Boris actually boosted him.

      It's been clear since October that Boris was going to get a huge majority.



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