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Honestly, Brexit was absolutely idiotic. The EU was created to counter the U.S so that the countries in the union had a bigger say in the economy and world affairs. Nowadays you could say the EU is also used to counter China and soon India, therefore in the event the U.K leaves the EU it will have no bargaining power whatsoever against the gargantuan top 3 economies of the future. Also, most of the E7 countries will eventually catch up or surpass the U.K in terms of economic power bringing more competition to international markets and thus less of a need to trade with the U.K. individually especially if the kingdom were to split up.



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EricHiggin said:

If the UK is going to be so hopelessly screwed when they leave the EU, why is the EU trying so desperately to hold onto the UK? Because they care oh so much about it's people and 'lousy' economy or because when the UK leaves and ends up just fine, or possibly better off, it will mean even more trouble for the EU and it's fed up members?

Somone gets it, we're one of their biggest buyers of goods, German car manufacturers have already pleaded for some sort of deal because we're their biggest buyer of cars 



EricHiggin said:

If the UK is going to be so hopelessly screwed when they leave the EU, why is the EU trying so desperately to hold onto the UK? Because they care oh so much about it's people and 'lousy' economy or because when the UK leaves and ends up just fine, or possibly better off, it will mean even more trouble for the EU and it's fed up members?

Define desperately because to most people it's more them preferring UK remains because of collective power on the world stage but still being fine if UK left because unlike us they actually have things mapped out for either scenario after all do you hear EU politicians talking about food shortages and stashing medicine like the PM is? If UK leaves it'll only be replaced in relevancy by another country eventually.



JRPGfan said:
phinch1 said:

Wrong wrong,Were the 5th largest economy in the world and the fact we've given our fishing industries away for all those land locked eu countries 

That was true back in 2016.

Today France is a bigger econemy than the UK is.
Your 6th place now not 5th.
Also in terms of purchasing power parity (PPP), the UK isnt even in the top10.

With how the £ dropping and brexit, things arnt looking to improve imo.

Wanna link some proof to that? Also I don't think France is doing well losing billions in its 5th week of protest. 



phinch1 said:
JRPGfan said:

That was true back in 2016.

Today France is a bigger econemy than the UK is.
Your 6th place now not 5th.
Also in terms of purchasing power parity (PPP), the UK isnt even in the top10.

With how the £ dropping and brexit, things arnt looking to improve imo.

Wanna link some proof to that? Also I don't think France is doing well losing billions in its 5th week of protest. 

https://money.cnn.com/2017/11/22/news/economy/uk-france-biggest-economies-in-the-world/index.html

India is not far behind us either.



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phinch1 said:
EricHiggin said:

If the UK is going to be so hopelessly screwed when they leave the EU, why is the EU trying so desperately to hold onto the UK? Because they care oh so much about it's people and 'lousy' economy or because when the UK leaves and ends up just fine, or possibly better off, it will mean even more trouble for the EU and it's fed up members?

Somone gets it, we're one of their biggest buyers of goods, German car manufacturers have already pleaded for some sort of deal because we're their biggest buyer of cars 

Democracy isn't simply for the people, by the people. It's for "your" people, by "your" people. As soon as "your" people, becomes 'everyone's' people, democracy in whatever form, no longer works properly. This is the reason why the UK and the EU are in this mess, and same goes for the US in their own way. When 'everyone's' beliefs, morals and rules, etc, are no longer the building blocks of "your" system, a democracy doesn't work unless you change it as well, to fit the changes of 'everyone's' ethics. That's not to say democracy only works if 'everyone' is always 100% in agreement, but the core principles must be aligned or it won't function as intended. This is part of the reason for individual countries and their borders.

It isn't coincidence why you heard the US media and it's 'followers' promoting 100% democratic voting considering the popular vote in 2016, and why they don't seem to care much about borders, especially right now. That is not how the US system works however, and for good reason.



Wyrdness said:
EricHiggin said:

If the UK is going to be so hopelessly screwed when they leave the EU, why is the EU trying so desperately to hold onto the UK? Because they care oh so much about it's people and 'lousy' economy or because when the UK leaves and ends up just fine, or possibly better off, it will mean even more trouble for the EU and it's fed up members?

Define desperately because to most people it's more them preferring UK remains because of collective power on the world stage but still being fine if UK left because unlike us they actually have things mapped out for either scenario after all do you hear EU politicians talking about food shortages and stashing medicine like the PM is? If UK leaves it'll only be replaced in relevancy by another country eventually.

How long does it take for the EU to let the UK go? The UK votes to leave in 2016, it's brought to the EU, and yet here we still are trying to figure out a 'deal'. They voted to leave, so just let them leave. Democracy right?



There is nothing wrong with 'No Deal' aka WTO terms.

It's what I voted for.

If the EU doesn't want an FTA,fine. We can buy French Ag from US/Africa and German manufacturing can be replaced by US/China.

Good luck replacing our high end MF/services. We're the best in the world.

Donald's offering us an FTA that will become the standard of what FTA's should be. Switzerland has already signed off. Oz/NZ are ready for a deal. India wants access to our services market.

Ignore your lying/stupid MP, they're either retarded or corrupt. Lower prices makes the whole country richer and more productive/efficient.

We should have triggeredt Art50 immediately and announced our intention to go WTO and we'd have the whole world begging us for a 'deal' (except the EU who needs to scare everyone else into staying). Tbf, Europe is pretty weak and pathetic and its probably best they hinder their national interests for 'the common good'.......beats war.

Our politicians hate it because we've just destroyed their job prospects and their attempt to make the EU a shit copy of the US. (London=Gold/finance=NY, France=food=california, Germany=manufacturing(tanks)=rust belt, Eastern Europe=cheap labour=mexico). The 3 major ingredients for war are split between the big 3.



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EricHiggin said:
Wyrdness said:

Define desperately because to most people it's more them preferring UK remains because of collective power on the world stage but still being fine if UK left because unlike us they actually have things mapped out for either scenario after all do you hear EU politicians talking about food shortages and stashing medicine like the PM is? If UK leaves it'll only be replaced in relevancy by another country eventually.

How long does it take for the EU to let the UK go? The UK votes to leave in 2016, it's brought to the EU, and yet here we still are trying to figure out a 'deal'. They voted to leave, so just let them leave. Democracy right?

The reason it's taken so long is because of the UK not the EU I don't know what news you've been following the EU have been ready to let us leave any day dating back from March, we have no leverage over the EU but they have a tonne of leverage over us so when Theresa May and co found out that leaving means leaving all the benefits such as trade and all behind unless we accept some terms of their own they did nothing but stall because keeping the benefits means accepting the EU's rules at which point the would be no point in leaving. It's entirely on the UK that this debacle is still going on not the EU.



EricHiggin said:
Wyrdness said:

Define desperately because to most people it's more them preferring UK remains because of collective power on the world stage but still being fine if UK left because unlike us they actually have things mapped out for either scenario after all do you hear EU politicians talking about food shortages and stashing medicine like the PM is? If UK leaves it'll only be replaced in relevancy by another country eventually.

How long does it take for the EU to let the UK go? The UK votes to leave in 2016, it's brought to the EU, and yet here we still are trying to figure out a 'deal'. They voted to leave, so just let them leave. Democracy right?

Our treasonous politicians think they can attack our democracy/way of life without consequence. They should be treated the same way Adolf, Nappy, King Charles, Osama, Saddam and Gaddafi were when they tried it.



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!