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Pyro as Bill said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

ROFLMAO!

Yeah, that's why the UK always were the ones who blocked higher standards in th EU if someone did.

Also, like Lafiel already pointed out, Brexit is about removing those EU standards since they are too high for some... let's call them less scrupulous companies who don't care about the well-being of their customers at all, just their sales.

And the biggest lol comes from those who are campaigning the hardest for no-deal. Just look about their wealth: They're practically all multimillionaires, many of them inherited. They want to turn the UK into a tax haven - but they can't do so under the EU anymore, even Luxembourg and Switzerland had to water down their taxing schemes a lot. So leave without a deal and don't care if the general population get's royally fucked sideways into their anuses, they will do fine and get richer.

Read past the opener.

That just means that she will continue to campaign for remain if brexit would win again. Nothing about Brexit now certain to win if there would be a second vote.

Horsemeat (called cheval btw) is actually very good, and not pumped full of antibiotics like beef. And 1000x better than chlorinated chicken. The problem with horsemeat is a cultural one, not one of quality - very few people would want to eat horsemeat because they don't consider them eating something like a horse.

It's not about abolishing standards. It's about adapting them to suit the 94% of UK businesses that don't export to the EU. Any goods going to the EU will still abide by EU standards.

Those 'unscrupulous' companies want more free trade. Some are probably hoping for a bit of protection just like how some other 'unscrupulous' companies currently receive protection.

I'm not dissing cheval I just prefer it not to be labelled and sold as beef.

So what specific adaptations would they be?

And how many of those 94% are still reliant on EU based supply chains?



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Scoobes said:
Pyro as Bill said:

It's not about abolishing standards. It's about adapting them to suit the 94% of UK businesses that don't export to the EU. Any goods going to the EU will still abide by EU standards.

Those 'unscrupulous' companies want more free trade. Some are probably hoping for a bit of protection just like how some other 'unscrupulous' companies currently receive protection.

I'm not dissing cheval I just prefer it not to be labelled and sold as beef.

So what specific adaptations would they be?

And how many of those 94% are still reliant on EU based supply chains?

That's upto us and the government we elect instead of Italian tomato growers.

Who cares? Anyone relying on EU supply chains will be unaffected.

If France and Germany wants to blockade us we'll nuke 'em. Other than that, it's our own border forces that will delay supply and Ireland will get a double whammy.

I'm getting really tired of arguing with Europeans and their protectionist religion. Truth is, you're shit. Europe hasn't done anything worthwhile since before WW2. It's kind of crazy how easily you all fall into line. The UK and it's babies have created the modern world for the best part of a thousand years and we don't need to take advice from countries who only exist because of our benevolence. World history can basically be summed up as England ignoring and doing the opposite of whatever scheme the continentals are doing.

With a Boris/Tory government we're going to become more libertarian than the US. IE We'll destroy you in trade.

Funny thing regarding the Irish backstop. Ireland only joined the EU because the UK did. Ireland's trade relies on us. Ireland can try and play the big bollocks but economics will always win in the end. I give it ten years before Ireland joins an economic union with the UK. By which point the rest of Europe will probably have gone far right again and we'll probably have to destroy them.

When the next generation realises that the continent is nothing more than a thorn in our side, we can go back to embarrassing them with our Anglo-Saxon Free Trade supremacy.

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Pyro as Bill said:
Scoobes said:

So what specific adaptations would they be?

And how many of those 94% are still reliant on EU based supply chains?

That's upto us and the government we elect instead of Italian tomato growers.

Who cares? Anyone relying on EU supply chains will be unaffected.

If France and Germany wants to blockade us we'll nuke 'em. Other than that, it's our own border forces that will delay supply and Ireland will get a double whammy.

I'm getting really tired of arguing with Europeans and their protectionist religion. Truth is, you're shit. Europe hasn't done anything worthwhile since before WW2. It's kind of crazy how easily you all fall into line. The UK and it's babies have created the modern world for the best part of a thousand years and we don't need to take advice from countries who only exist because of our benevolence. World history can basically be summed up as England ignoring and doing the opposite of whatever scheme the continentals are doing.

With a Boris/Tory government we're going to become more libertarian than the US. IE We'll destroy you in trade.

Funny thing regarding the Irish backstop. Ireland only joined the EU because the UK did. Ireland's trade relies on us. Ireland can try and play the big bollocks but economics will always win in the end. I give it ten years before Ireland joins an economic union with the UK. By which point the rest of Europe will probably have gone far right again and we'll probably have to destroy them.

When the next generation realises that the continent is nothing more than a thorn in our side, we can go back to embarrassing them with our Anglo-Saxon Free Trade supremacy.

ROFLMAO at the bolded part. Also consider that France has it's own nukes, and more of them (120 active nukes for the UK compared to 290 for France), so that move would result into a mutual assured destruction - but mostly the annihilation of the UK since it's more nukes and much less territory to cover with them. But I digress.

The EU doesn't need to and won't blockade anything. With borders come border checks, and the amount of imports right now compared to the amount of personnel and equipment means that there is much more inflow right now than can be processed. In other words, all points of entry would clog up with wares that need to be checked by customs. That's (one of) the reason why so many companies are stockpiling all kinds of materials to make sure that they can continue working without interruption after Brexit, at least for a while.

Ireland's trade relied on the UK until the early 90's. But that's only true for the border towns anymore, the rest of the country would do just fine without the UK. Nothern Ireland, on the other hand, is totally relying on Ireland right now.

"World history can basically be summed up as England ignoring and doing the opposite of whatever scheme the continentals are doing." I suggest you learn some history then, because that's blatantly false. That's only true during the French revolution through Napoleon's reign and during WW2 - and that's in both cases because some power-hungry man conquered mostly all of the continent. Summing up entire history on these two points just shows how wrong you are. The UK had always cooperated with the other European countries outside of these two events. The Entente in WW1 for instance is the result of cooperation with France and Russia in the late 19th and early 20th century, for instance.



The elephant in the room no one wants to talk about is the fact that the majority of the West is going to have to convert to Islam as penance for building civilization powered on oil and other fossil fuels. The water flows in until equilibrium is reached. Any violence in resistance of this will have no real effect. I personally just hope the West's art, literature, and music survive this process.



HouseEorl said:
The elephant in the room no one wants to talk about is the fact that the majority of the West is going to have to convert to Islam as penance for building civilization powered on oil and other fossil fuels. The water flows in until equilibrium is reached. Any violence in resistance of this will have no real effect. I personally just hope the West's art, literature, and music survive this process.

sadly, this is very true, racism against white Christian is the new "progressiveness" in Europe, the new reality unless we wake up soon enough and stand up for our rights as equal citizens (no joke there)

and the rise of atheism makes it easier for Islam to spread, atheists better appreciate at least that Christianity is where our values and ethics come from, it can also be seen as a combination of effective Philosophy and Psychology rather than Theology, everyone can gain much out of it even those that do not believe in higher spirits etc - or risk Islam taking over eventually (for the sake of being progressive right?)

thank god some countries are awake, like Italy, Hungary, Poland...
I support the EU as long as it is for the Europeans and not for everyone else instead...

one of the reasons many British voted Brexit is the wakening of patriotism in a sense that many such laws that protect anything non-white Christian is coming from the EU, what they do not realize is that most of the laws started from the UK itself, and they let the country come down to this loss of culture, getting as many migrants as possible from outside the EU, in order to fit it all together and blame the EU in the end

I understand not wanting to share the country anymore due to fear of loss of culture, but it is the timing of the referendum (out of EU migration at its peak) that caused the close departure, boosted by the anti-culture laws I mention above and the fishing waters issue... (before you call me crazy, most 65+ people in the UK are still religious and they voted 64% Leave)

it's a shame really, cause Britain shares much history, culture and values with the rest of Europe, running away instead of stay and reform is not a solution, and will not make Britain any less European

most of the things British blame the EU for are the fault of their own past governments, like giving equal NHS rights to every single person getting in the UK, hence attracting huge migration from different cultures, it is normal that you risk the loss of culture going down this path... if you do no respect your own culture, no-one else will



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

That's upto us and the government we elect instead of Italian tomato growers.

Who cares? Anyone relying on EU supply chains will be unaffected.

If France and Germany wants to blockade us we'll nuke 'em. Other than that, it's our own border forces that will delay supply and Ireland will get a double whammy.

I'm getting really tired of arguing with Europeans and their protectionist religion. Truth is, you're shit. Europe hasn't done anything worthwhile since before WW2. It's kind of crazy how easily you all fall into line. The UK and it's babies have created the modern world for the best part of a thousand years and we don't need to take advice from countries who only exist because of our benevolence. World history can basically be summed up as England ignoring and doing the opposite of whatever scheme the continentals are doing.

With a Boris/Tory government we're going to become more libertarian than the US. IE We'll destroy you in trade.

Funny thing regarding the Irish backstop. Ireland only joined the EU because the UK did. Ireland's trade relies on us. Ireland can try and play the big bollocks but economics will always win in the end. I give it ten years before Ireland joins an economic union with the UK. By which point the rest of Europe will probably have gone far right again and we'll probably have to stroy them.

When the next generation realises that the continent is nothing more than a thorn in our side, we can go back to embarrassing them with our Anglo-Saxon Free Trade supremacy.

ROFLMAO at the bolded part. Also consider that France has it's own nukes, and more of them (120 active nukes for the UK compared to 290 for France), so that move would result into a mutual assured destruction - but mostly the annihilation of the UK since it's more nukes and much less territory to cover with them. But I digress.


The EU doesn't need to and won't blockade anything. With borders come border checks, and the amount of imports right now compared to the amount of personnel and equipment means that there is much more inflow right now than can be processed. In other words, all points of entry would clog up with wares that need to be checked by customs. That's (one of) the reason why so many companies are stockpiling all kinds of materials to make sure that they can continue working without interruption after Brexit, at least for a while.

Ireland's trade relied on the UK until the early 90's. But that's only true for the border towns anymore, the rest of the country would do just fine without the UK. Nothern Ireland, on the other hand, is totally relying on Ireland right now.

"World history can basically be summed up as England ignoring and doing the opposite of whatever scheme the continentals are doing." I suggest you learn some history then, because that's blatantly false. That's only true during the French revolution through Napoleon's reign and during WW2 - and that's in both cases because some power-hungry man conquered mostly all of the continent. Summing up entire history on these two points just shows how wrong you are. The UK had always cooperated with the other European countries outside of these two events. The Entente in WW1 for instance is the result of cooperation with France and Russia in the late 19th and early 20th century, for instance.

France would rather surrender than be destroyed. We're different. (I was larping btw). Point was that any delays will be self inflicted unless the EU starts committing acts of war. Many gullible remainers in the UK think the EU determines how much food and medicine we're allowed.

Right now, there's no need for checks because we're completely aligned. Going forward, there might need to be checks but it's not like the EU is some 3rd world country so we'll let your stuff pass.

I agree Ireland's economy has realigned from UK-heavy to EU-heavy just as the UK has realigned from world/empire/commonwealth heavy to EU-heavy. That will change going forward.

(Catholicism, protectionism, monarchism, fascism) - Ironically we abolished the monarchy 100-150years before the US and France yet they still get all the credit. Nicky and Wilhelm were the only real monarchs going in to WW1 but the English crown had already learned to bend the knee and that's why it's one of the only real 5 kings left alongside hearts, diamonds, clubs and spades.. We stepped in to WW1 at the last minute (in British terms not American) and could quite easily have stayed neutral or chose the other team. We should have stayed neutral in both wars and played both sides so we could keep our immense wealth but we're too noble for that.



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HouseEorl said:
The elephant in the room no one wants to talk about is the fact that the majority of the West is going to have to convert to Islam as penance for building civilization powered on oil and other fossil fuels. The water flows in until equilibrium is reached. Any violence in resistance of this will have no real effect. I personally just hope the West's art, literature, and music survive this process.

It likely will not survive. What happened at Notre Dame opened eyes, but 875 of France's 42,258 churches were vandalized in 2018. That's no small number. There is a ton of damage being done to Europe's foundation and history which took hundreds of years to build and survived hundreds of years after. The education systems for generations have been far left cultural marxism and post-modern calling itself neutral. I very much doubt what comes after will be good if it's led by secularism or Islam. It certainly will not respect Europe's past. You are being replaced. 



Pyro as Bill said:
Scoobes said:

So what specific adaptations would they be?

And how many of those 94% are still reliant on EU based supply chains?

That's upto us and the government we elect instead of Italian tomato growers.

Who cares? Anyone relying on EU supply chains will be unaffected.

If France and Germany wants to blockade us we'll nuke 'em. Other than that, it's our own border forces that will delay supply and Ireland will get a double whammy.

I'm getting really tired of arguing with Europeans and their protectionist religion. Truth is, you're shit. Europe hasn't done anything worthwhile since before WW2. It's kind of crazy how easily you all fall into line. The UK and it's babies have created the modern world for the best part of a thousand years and we don't need to take advice from countries who only exist because of our benevolence. World history can basically be summed up as England ignoring and doing the opposite of whatever scheme the continentals are doing.

With a Boris/Tory government we're going to become more libertarian than the US. IE We'll destroy you in trade.

Funny thing regarding the Irish backstop. Ireland only joined the EU because the UK did. Ireland's trade relies on us. Ireland can try and play the big bollocks but economics will always win in the end. I give it ten years before Ireland joins an economic union with the UK. By which point the rest of Europe will probably have gone far right again and we'll probably have to destroy them.

When the next generation realises that the continent is nothing more than a thorn in our side, we can go back to embarrassing them with our Anglo-Saxon Free Trade supremacy.

So increasing barriers to trade that are currently free will have no effect on supply chains that rely on those Countries where we put up barriers.... That seems logical to you?

You realize the EU currently has the largest network of trade deals and agreements in the World? And that these types of decisions have always been up to the Government we elect and not Italian farmers?

Now, back to the original question, as you're probably voting for a UK Government, what specific adaptations do you want to see them apply?



Pyro as Bill said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:
ROFLMAO at the bolded part. Also consider that France has it's own nukes, and more of them (120 active nukes for the UK compared to 290 for France), so that move would result into a mutual assured destruction - but mostly the annihilation of the UK since it's more nukes and much less territory to cover with them. But I digress.


The EU doesn't need to and won't blockade anything. With borders come border checks, and the amount of imports right now compared to the amount of personnel and equipment means that there is much more inflow right now than can be processed. In other words, all points of entry would clog up with wares that need to be checked by customs. That's (one of) the reason why so many companies are stockpiling all kinds of materials to make sure that they can continue working without interruption after Brexit, at least for a while.

Ireland's trade relied on the UK until the early 90's. But that's only true for the border towns anymore, the rest of the country would do just fine without the UK. Nothern Ireland, on the other hand, is totally relying on Ireland right now.

"World history can basically be summed up as England ignoring and doing the opposite of whatever scheme the continentals are doing." I suggest you learn some history then, because that's blatantly false. That's only true during the French revolution through Napoleon's reign and during WW2 - and that's in both cases because some power-hungry man conquered mostly all of the continent. Summing up entire history on these two points just shows how wrong you are. The UK had always cooperated with the other European countries outside of these two events. The Entente in WW1 for instance is the result of cooperation with France and Russia in the late 19th and early 20th century, for instance.

France would rather surrender than be destroyed. We're different. (I was larping btw). Point was that any delays will be self inflicted unless the EU starts committing acts of war. Many gullible remainers in the UK think the EU determines how much food and medicine we're allowed.

Right now, there's no need for checks because we're completely aligned. Going forward, there might need to be checks but it's not like the EU is some 3rd world country so we'll let your stuff pass.

I agree Ireland's economy has realigned from UK-heavy to EU-heavy just as the UK has realigned from world/empire/commonwealth heavy to EU-heavy. That will change going forward.

(Catholicism, protectionism, monarchism, fascism) - Ironically we abolished the monarchy 100-150years before the US and France yet they still get all the credit. Nicky and Wilhelm were the only real monarchs going in to WW1 but the English crown had already learned to bend the knee and that's why it's one of the only real 5 kings left alongside hearts, diamonds, clubs and spades.. We stepped in to WW1 at the last minute (in British terms not American) and could quite easily have stayed neutral or chose the other team. We should have stayed neutral in both wars and played both sides so we could keep our immense wealth but we're too noble for that.

Errr... no. WTO rules would mean there has to be checks unless a trade deal of some kind can be signed. The increase in paper work alone would increase time for drivers at ports by 10-fold (see Swiss border to pretty much every EU Country).



Pyro as Bill said:

We stepped in to WW1 at the last minute (in British terms not American) and could quite easily have stayed neutral or chose the other team. We should have stayed neutral in both wars and played both sides so we could keep our immense wealth but we're too noble for that.

United Kingdom's safety is determined by Belgian ground, France or Germany conquering Belgium/Holland is a lethal threat to UK. 

Also, this is why UK could not stay neutral in both wars. Nobody can live with a knife next to throat every day.