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Pyro as Bill said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

 Since then, they've just been following, not directing anymore.

Following who? The US? They're our babies. The current US has more in common with England than the UK. We're the only 2 countries in the world who understand free speech and free trade. Once we've removed our British overlords, the US can finally get some quality competition.

Also, 2 Million majority? Not even during the referendum was the majority so big. But yeah, if the MPs and newspapers continue to blame everything bad on the EU and grab all the credit for themselves when the EU does something good, then of course the UK will leave some day.

England, not yookay remember?

But seriously, at this point, what's floating in most people's minds if you leave is more in the line of "good riddance, you ingrates! The EU is much better off without you naysayers" or something like that.

Feeling's mutual. Unfortunately we have a PM who thinks the EU is important to our national security (ironic, i know) and we have to have a close relationship.

JRPGfan said:

Time to stop liveing in the past.
Ive said it before the UK isnt "the empire on which the sun never sets" anymore.

And its importance on the world scene will only drop futher, once it leaves the EU.

England not UK. 'Little Englanders'/English liberals never wanted an empire. They didn't want war with the American colonies either. They knew that free trade would be mutually beneficial as opposed to war which hurts everyone except those making money from it.

So you assume that people that voted remain didn't vote to help the poorest in our society?

How is leaving the EU going to help the poorest in our society?

Free Trade makes everyone richer except protectionists. See the Corn Laws and Imperial Preference (ie the last 2 times the 'Tory' party split) for more details. Remainiacs (excluding idealistic students) have no problem seeing wages fall for the low and no skilled so long as their house price keeps increasing.

The corn laws where extreme, A ton of imported wheat would have needed to cost over 1300$ in today's currency , 6 times what it costs right now (~220$). That's not protectionism, that's outright mercantilism (which practically forbids any imports with absolutely excessive tariffs)

US are your baby? The baby has outgrown you decades ago and is now ordering you around like their little pet. And ROFL on the rest of the text there. You really think tiny little England won't get squashed by the US in their demands? Trumps US is all take and no give, what part of America first or their "trade offer" (which is basically just asking to do everything for them and getting nothing in return) do you not understand?

I do agree with May on the national Security to some degree. It would cut off the UK from any European criminal investigation, biometric data and arrest warrants, meaning terrorists and criminals could flee to the UK before they are identified and get out of jail that way since the country made itself unaware of the criminals - and couldn't be apprehended there either.

And your historical revisionism is just laughable.  English liberals maybe didn't want those things, but back in the day, their fraction was about as big as the British pirate party is today. As a whole the British people enjoyed mostly those things.



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What a mess. This is going to be uglier than a no deal Brexit. Mainly because they didn't get enough time to do anything about their predicament, so they'll just end up with a no deal brexit anyway, but in the meantime they'll probably have a general election and European parliamentary elections, and both of those are going to tear the country apart, and the latter will probably be ugly for the EU too. The only way they get out of no deal at this point is if UKIP and the Brexit party split the Leave vote so badly that a Labour-LibDem-SNP coalition gets into power with Lib Dems and SNP making a second referendum a bargaining chip for forming a government. That still leaves behind a massively polarized country. The existence of the Brexit party will mean that literally every general election will be a new Brexit referendum until the party dies or succeeds in its goals.



Now that the Lib Dems have admitted Leave will win a second ref and they'll continue to block it regardless, everyone sees them for the treasonous clowns they are.

Any Tory who disobeys Boris is going to face deselection or have to run against one of Nigel's mates. Check mate traitors.

At long last, Crown, Prime Minister and People are all united in their steadfast support for democracy and we can get on and sign that free trade deal that Theresa took off the table.



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Pyro as Bill said:
Now that the Lib Dems have admitted Leave will win a second ref and they'll continue to block it regardless, everyone sees them for the treasonous clowns they are.

Any Tory who disobeys Boris is going to face deselection or have to run against one of Nigel's mates. Check mate traitors.

At long last, Crown, Prime Minister and People are all united in their steadfast support for democracy and we can get on and sign that free trade deal that Theresa took off the table.

free trade deal? free trade negotiations were always planned to happen, but these things realistically take 5 years and often over a decade to complete

the withdrawal agreement was always ment to regulate what happens in the meantime



Pyro as Bill said:
Now that the Lib Dems have admitted Leave will win a second ref and they'll continue to block it regardless, everyone sees them for the treasonous clowns they are.

Any Tory who disobeys Boris is going to face deselection or have to run against one of Nigel's mates. Check mate traitors.

At long last, Crown, Prime Minister and People are all united in their steadfast support for democracy and we can get on and sign that free trade deal that Theresa took off the table.

Source?



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Pyro as Bill said:
Now that the Lib Dems have admitted Leave will win a second ref and they'll continue to block it regardless, everyone sees them for the treasonous clowns they are.

Any Tory who disobeys Boris is going to face deselection or have to run against one of Nigel's mates. Check mate traitors.

At long last, Crown, Prime Minister and People are all united in their steadfast support for democracy and we can get on and sign that free trade deal that Theresa took off the table.

It'll be interesting to see if you're still spouting the same rhetoric and swallowing the same propaganda a couple of weeks after no deal happens.



Lafiel said:

free trade deal? free trade negotiations were always planned to happen, but these things realistically take 5 years and often over a decade to complete

the withdrawal agreement was always ment to regulate what happens in the meantime

We're completely aligned and our standards are way higher than most of the EU.

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Source?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9569467/arrogant-lib-dem-boss-jo-swinson-vows-to-reverse-brexit-even-if-britain-votes-for-it-a-second-time/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/23/lib-dem-leader-jo-swinson-says-would-vote-against-brexit-even/

Scoobes said:

It'll be interesting to see if you're still spouting the same rhetoric and swallowing the same propaganda a couple of weeks after no deal happens.

I've already thrown out the chlorinated salad to make room in the fridge for some chlorinated chicken and half price roast beef from the US.

Enjoy your horsemeat.



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Pyro as Bill said:
Lafiel said:

free trade deal? free trade negotiations were always planned to happen, but these things realistically take 5 years and often over a decade to complete

the withdrawal agreement was always ment to regulate what happens in the meantime

We're completely aligned and our standards are way higher than most of the EU.

LOL,

you do know you guys are doing this Brexit thing to get rid of regulations, right? I believe your current PM promised a "bonfire of rules and regulations".

If anything that might make the process harder and take longer, as first you guys will need to go through everything and decide which parts you want to get rid off before you can really approach the EU negotiators with a clear picture of how to arrange a free trade deal.

I think there is a good chance the UK stays very closely or even completely aligned to EU regulations in the long term, but wouldn't that mean Brexit failed to get you back your "sovereignity" ? (afaik one of the main reasons people voted for it)

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Pyro as Bill said:
Lafiel said:

free trade deal? free trade negotiations were always planned to happen, but these things realistically take 5 years and often over a decade to complete

the withdrawal agreement was always ment to regulate what happens in the meantime

We're completely aligned and our standards are way higher than most of the EU.

ROFLMAO!

Yeah, that's why the UK always were the ones who blocked higher standards in th EU if someone did.

Also, like Lafiel already pointed out, Brexit is about removing those EU standards since they are too high for some... let's call them less scrupulous companies who don't care about the well-being of their customers at all, just their sales.

And the biggest lol comes from those who are campaigning the hardest for no-deal. Just look about their wealth: They're practically all multimillionaires, many of them inherited. They want to turn the UK into a tax haven - but they can't do so under the EU anymore, even Luxembourg and Switzerland had to water down their taxing schemes a lot. So leave without a deal and don't care if the general population get's royally fucked sideways into their anuses, they will do fine and get richer.

Pyro as Bill said:

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Source?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9569467/arrogant-lib-dem-boss-jo-swinson-vows-to-reverse-brexit-even-if-britain-votes-for-it-a-second-time/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/23/lib-dem-leader-jo-swinson-says-would-vote-against-brexit-even/

Read past the opener.

That just means that she will continue to campaign for remain if brexit would win again. Nothing about Brexit now certain to win if there would be a second vote.

Scoobes said:

It'll be interesting to see if you're still spouting the same rhetoric and swallowing the same propaganda a couple of weeks after no deal happens.

I've already thrown out the chlorinated salad to make room in the fridge for some chlorinated chicken and half price roast beef from the US.

Enjoy your horsemeat.

Horsemeat (called cheval btw) is actually very good, and not pumped full of antibiotics like beef. And 1000x better than chlorinated chicken. The problem with horsemeat is a cultural one, not one of quality - very few people would want to eat horsemeat because they don't consider them eating something like a horse.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

We're completely aligned and our standards are way higher than most of the EU.

ROFLMAO!

Yeah, that's why the UK always were the ones who blocked higher standards in th EU if someone did.

Also, like Lafiel already pointed out, Brexit is about removing those EU standards since they are too high for some... let's call them less scrupulous companies who don't care about the well-being of their customers at all, just their sales.

And the biggest lol comes from those who are campaigning the hardest for no-deal. Just look about their wealth: They're practically all multimillionaires, many of them inherited. They want to turn the UK into a tax haven - but they can't do so under the EU anymore, even Luxembourg and Switzerland had to water down their taxing schemes a lot. So leave without a deal and don't care if the general population get's royally fucked sideways into their anuses, they will do fine and get richer.

Pyro as Bill said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9569467/arrogant-lib-dem-boss-jo-swinson-vows-to-reverse-brexit-even-if-britain-votes-for-it-a-second-time/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/23/lib-dem-leader-jo-swinson-says-would-vote-against-brexit-even/

Read past the opener.

That just means that she will continue to campaign for remain if brexit would win again. Nothing about Brexit now certain to win if there would be a second vote.

I've already thrown out the chlorinated salad to make room in the fridge for some chlorinated chicken and half price roast beef from the US.

Enjoy your horsemeat.

Horsemeat (called cheval btw) is actually very good, and not pumped full of antibiotics like beef. And 1000x better than chlorinated chicken. The problem with horsemeat is a cultural one, not one of quality - very few people would want to eat horsemeat because they don't consider them eating something like a horse.

It's not about abolishing standards. It's about adapting them to suit the 94% of UK businesses that don't export to the EU. Any goods going to the EU will still abide by EU standards.

Those 'unscrupulous' companies want more free trade. Some are probably hoping for a bit of protection just like how some other 'unscrupulous' companies currently receive protection.

I'm not dissing cheval I just prefer it not to be labelled and sold as beef.



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