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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

This is beautiful. Brexit has turned into everything I wanted it to.

No-one actually gives that much of a fuck about the EU but it's exposing everything.

The only thing that's left is for the Queen to step in and that's looking more and more likely if a GE takes place.

Lib Dems are destroyed. UKIP could be dead now too but they're getting a huge rebound and they're back with a new anti-Islam twist (well done remoaners). Lab and Con are both splintering and declining in the polls at the same time.

MPs are being threatened and called traitors and instead of getting sympathy they're being told that they ARE traitors (those replies haha).



The Labour Party has a Commy in charge and the most stable and successful political party in European history is slowly crumbling. All because of what amounts to little more than a 5% change in the average tax rate for most people.

How are the LibDems destroyed? Did I miss something, what happened to them?

I would have said both the Tories and Labour are destroyed by now, as both have rendered themselves pretty much unelectable with their bickering and splintering. But yeah, looks like you have more or less the same opinion here. However, both are still by far the largest parties in the UK according to the recent polls, totaling over 75% of the votes between the 2.

Not sure if that's what Pyro ment, but the LibDems already are and have been in a state of ruin since forming a coalition with the Torries and signing off on their austerity politics. That they can't seem to profit from the chaos the other parties are in indicates that voters haven't forgiven them.



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Lafiel said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

How are the LibDems destroyed? Did I miss something, what happened to them?

I would have said both the Tories and Labour are destroyed by now, as both have rendered themselves pretty much unelectable with their bickering and splintering. But yeah, looks like you have more or less the same opinion here. However, both are still by far the largest parties in the UK according to the recent polls, totaling over 75% of the votes between the 2.

Not sure if that's what Pyro ment, but the LibDems already are and have been in a state of ruin since forming a coalition with the Torries and signing off on their austerity politics. That they can't seem to profit from the chaos the other parties are in indicates that voters haven't forgiven them.

Okay, that sounds more realistic. They are trending upwards, but only ever so slightly (they were around 7% in June/August 2017 and now around 10%), and the UKIP seems to outpace them lately (hit around 2% in June 2018 but are now up to 6% again). So yeah, even with all the problems in the 2 major parties they can't seem to profit much from it.

What I'm actually more interested in is how NI and Scotland would vote now in a general election. Pretty sure the SNP would get pretty close to all their constituencies, but Northern Ireland is more open - though I think Sinn Féin would win the majority of the votes there.



Remember back in 2016 when the UK voted, and they where supposed to leave the EU in 2018.

Now its 2019.....
and they re no where near done yet, and the EU is like "you guys need another year to figur this out? sure why not"

Lmao if this drags on to take almost 4 years.



JRPGfan said:

Remember back in 2016 when the UK voted, and they where supposed to leave the EU in 2018.

Now its 2019.....
and they re no where near done yet, and the EU is like "you guys need another year to figur this out? sure why not"

Lmao if this drags on to take almost 4 years.

Well, Tusk is.

Macron, on the other hand, says he will only allow an extension if the UK finally has some semblance of a plan on how to leave the EU, with Belgium and Spain supporting that, too. Considering that Rees-Mogg announced in a tweet that he wishes that the british MEP should be naysayers on everything as long as they stay in the EU, I think that could be actually a prudent choice if they would go and follow his wish. But that's only if the UKIP or a member of the ERG would become MEP.

Speaking of that tweet, it seems it backfired spectacularly, as it is an admission that the UK had the power to block and shape things all along, but didn't do so.

It's not like Yes, Minister didn't see everything coming. It was all planned from the beginning ^^:

https://youtu.be/ZVYqB0uTKlE?t=119



JRPGfan said:

Remember back in 2016 when the UK voted, and they where supposed to leave the EU in 2018.

Now its 2019.....
and they re no where near done yet, and the EU is like "you guys need another year to figur this out? sure why not"

Lmao if this drags on to take almost 4 years.

No because article 50 wasn't triggered until 2017 ... 



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Macron being obstinate: CHECK!

Further filibustering of the recent Cooper-Letwin bill: In progress ... 

Negotiations breaking down between government and opposition: In progress ... 

No new introduction of a private members bill to interfere: CHECK!

Only less than a week to go towards ultimate freedom ...



fatslob-:O said:

Macron being obstinate: CHECK!

Further filibustering of the recent Cooper-Letwin bill: In progress ... 

Negotiations breaking down between government and opposition: In progress ... 

No new introduction of a private members bill to interfere: CHECK!

Only less than a week to go towards ultimate freedom ...

Ultimate freedom:

USA forceing the UK to accept their Genemodifed foods, chlorinated chicken, Growth hormone & heavily medicated meats, in a trade deal.
As well as being forced to buy certain medicine's from the US, if it wants a trade deal with the US.

Thats just the USA, China/india will likely bully you guys too.

Also a hard boarder at Nothern Ireland... which might restart the troubles.
Plus the chance of loseing Northern Ireland (they might re-unite with ireland), and Scoutland might seek independence as well.

In less than 3% of the votes in the EU, did the UK oppose them.
Which means 97% of the time, the UK voted alongsides the EU members majority.

These 3% of "freedoms" you give up (most of which are just decent things that protect the rights of the people) and now regain, will come at a huge cost.

Your economy is gonna take a huge hit for it.
Worth it?

*Edit:

I think brexit is like the UK shooting itself in the foot.
However at this point, I think its for the best as well.

The UK never really believed in the EU project, and was mainly in it for self benefits (economically), and always looked down on the EU members, from their "high horses".
UK has a "victim superiorty" complex, and has spent the last 20years blameing the EU for everything under the sky that went wrong in the UK.
It was a easy scape goat for politicans.... because of this people in the UK have a twisted view on the EU.

UK is no longer the "empire on which the sun never sets", and I think reality is gonna smack them in the face soon.

Anyways best of luck UK.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 06 April 2019

Just goes to show. When the UK voted to leave, the yes voters had NO FUCKING CLUE what they were doing.



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JRPGfan said:
fatslob-:O said:

Macron being obstinate: CHECK!

Further filibustering of the recent Cooper-Letwin bill: In progress ... 

Negotiations breaking down between government and opposition: In progress ... 

No new introduction of a private members bill to interfere: CHECK!

Only less than a week to go towards ultimate freedom ...

Ultimate freedom:

USA forceing the UK to accept their Genemodifed foods, chlorinated chicken, Growth hormone & heavily medicated meats, in a trade deal.
As well as being forced to buy certain medicine's from the US, if it wants a trade deal with the US.

Thats just the USA, China/india will likely bully you guys too.

Also a hard boarder at Nothern Ireland... which might restart the troubles.
Plus the chance of loseing Northern Ireland (they might re-unite with ireland), and Scoutland might seek independence as well.

In less than 3% of the votes in the EU, did the UK oppose them.
Which means 97% of the time, the UK voted alongsides the EU members majority.

These 3% of "freedoms" you give up (most of which are just decent things that protect the rights of the people) and now regain, will come at a huge cost.

Your economy is gonna take a huge hit for it.
Worth it?

*Edit:

I think brexit is like the UK shooting itself in the foot.
However at this point, I think its for the best as well.

The UK never really believed in the EU project, and was mainly in it for self benefits (economically), and always looked down on the EU members, from their "high horses".
UK has a "victim superiorty" complex, and has spent the last 20years blameing the EU for everything under the sky that went wrong in the UK.
It was a easy scape goat for politicans.... because of this people in the UK have a twisted view on the EU.

UK is no longer the "empire on which the sun never sets", and I think reality is gonna smack them in the face soon.

Anyways best of luck UK.

Just to put some proofs for those in denial:

1. About the US-UK trade agreement: Here's the text of the proposed US-UK trade agreement (.pdf file)

It basically says that the UK has to open the floodgates to american products (especially agrarian ones) and fully comply to their rules, but the most sneaky one is this part here:

"Include strong provisions on transparency and public consultation that require the UK to publish drafts of regulations, allow stakeholders in other countries to provide comments on those drafts, and require authorities to address significant issues raised by stakeholders and explain how the final measure achieves the stated objectives".

Yeah, that basically would allow foreign companies, especially american ones, to veto laws they don't like. Remember how the Brexit was supposed to take back control? Yeah, going very well, I see. This is relinquishing all control, not taking it back. Also, at no point in the whole document is something that the US would do for the UK, it's all the UK who has to comply to american companies wishes.

About trade deals in general: The UK has gotten a grand total of 9 trade agreements so far, mostly with minor nations. That's much less than the 40 the were saying to get by Brexit day.

While we're at it: Here's about why clorinated chicken are bad. It's less that the practice itself is unhealthy, but because the sanitary standards are so much lower in the US and thus many rely so heavily on it, practically to keep them edible. To make sure it works, some go over the allowed concentration of chlorine, which makes the creation of carcinogenes like trihalomethanes possible. As a byproduct, it also makes the chicken look fresh much longer, even when it's actually already starting to rot. In general, the washing with chlorine supports negligent practices and thus undermining the already low sanitary standards. Just look at this undercover video in the barns of the second-largest poultry supplier in the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNAo2cvvefQ

Or this here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf06a3MvwvE

Bon appétit!



UK wants another extension. Which the EU should only give them if UK has a new parlament election or a new referendum imo.

The brextremists already plan to act like trolls if they get elected for EU parlament:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/rees-mogg-uk-should-play-hardball-on-eu-budget-if-brexit-delayed/amp/

Last edited by Vinther1991 - on 06 April 2019