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fatslob-:O on 13 February 2019
Bofferbrauer2 said:

1. The backstop was planned for a period of 21 months, until end of 2020 (that's the one in the deal, set up until a definitive solution could be found), not indefinitely. The indefinite one, where the UK parliament would have had the last say on any agreement, got shot down by the EU.

4. Why would they attack Irish customs officers (because that's all that's gonna be needed on the border, no military officers) but not British ones? That makes no sense at all, especially since the Brits leaving the EU is the cause for this mess in the first place. I agree on the streets that got reopened after 1993, they probably will need to be blocked again. But again, making a road impassable doesn't mean militarizing a border. And again, that doesn't void the letter of the GFA.

While we're at it, Ireland leaving the EU wouldn't solve any of these problems, the only thing that does is Northern Ireland becoming part of Ireland again

5. Again, Ireland has every right to do so as long the border doesn't get militarized, Besides, custom checks on both sides are gonna be mandatory after a no-deal Brexit. Or let me quote from another source: " in a no-deal Brexit scenario, the EU and the UK must trade with each other in line with the MFN obligation. The EU would have to treat goods coming from the UK in the same way as any other third-country goods. Likewise, the UK, following a re-negotiation of its Schedules of Concessions and Commitments on goods and a settlement of its regulatory environment with the EU and all other WTO members, would be required to raise duties and conduct border requirements without distinguishing between products originating in the EU or any other nation. Unless and until the UK negotiates new preferential trade agreements with other countries – including the EU – the country will have to trade goods on a MFN basis. As a result, at the land borders with the UK, as well as at EU ports and airports, the EU will apply the same border checks for goods originating in the UK as it does for goods coming from any other non-preferential trade partner. Absent an agreement between the two blocs, goods crossing the North/South Irish border or arriving by sea or air will be subject to EU customs duties, VAT and excise duties, as well as EU rules of origin, EU product safety and quality standards, EU sanitary requirements for live animals and products of animal origin and EU environmental protection and animal welfare rules. By the same token, the UK will have to apply its MFN duties and border controls on goods coming from the EU."

In other words, both the EU and the UK will have to impose and enforce border checks. I already explained that those don't break the GFA several times. And, as you can see, since the UK is also forcing themselves to border checks if they go No-Deal, even if border checks would break the GFA (which, again, it doesn't!), then both would have to break it, not just Ireland. In fact, the UK are already preparing themselves to create a hard border with Ireland. No exception from Articles 21 and 24 either, by the way: "The pivotal non-discrimination obligation enshrined in Article I GATT 1994 therefore casts doubt upon the position of the UK Government and the arguments of some Brexiteers mentioned above. In the event of a hard Brexit, the WTO MFN principle will entail a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. Exceptions such as the national security exception under Article XXI or the frontier tariff exception under Article XXIV:3 GATT 1994 will not apply. Unless and until the UK and the EU conclude a preferential trade agreement such as a free trade agreement or a customs union as authorised by Article XXIV, a hard South/North Irish border will remain."

Also, if you're so concerned about smuggling into the EU, how about smuggling into the UK instead? The EU has much more and cheaper goods to send into the UK than what the UK has to offer. In other words, the UK will need to install border checks, too. For instance, smugglers are getting ready to smuggle cigarettes en masse into the UK

1. This does not match up to what Geoffrey Cox claims who's the attorney general ... (basically if the UK does not get a permanent trade deal there is no mechanism to end the backstop) 

4. @Bold You are naive if you truly believe that. Just who the hell do you expect to man those blocked crossing points from being breached with very dangerous weapons such as bombs ? WTH is the point in blocking crossings if you aren't going to guard it ? An EU associate is not kidding when they claim there's going to be a hard Irish border place ... 

5. Customs checks are definitely going to be necessary but you can't be actually serious that Ireland won't need militarized armed guards if they decide to block so many points, right ? 

Hammond's position does not match the government's position so pay no attention to him. As for the Article 21, sure it applies as long as both Ireland and the UK agree to it because the important opening statement of the article starts with "Nothing in this Agreement shall be construed" which means the WTO rules straight up don't apply under these circumstances. Ireland would be breaking the GFA first by raising up a hard border first which is why the UK will wait before coming to claim Northern Ireland to itself forever ... 

The UK isn't concerned about smuggling from the EU when they've had a trade deficit with them for years. In a no deal scenario the UK has a chance to return the favour. IF AND WHEN a border is decided by Ireland that is when smuggling will end on either side but it will also close the path to reunification ... 

I am very much looking forward to the fated day when the EU will turn against Ireland ...  



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Bofferbrauer2 on 13 February 2019
fatslob-:O said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

1. The backstop was planned for a period of 21 months, until end of 2020 (that's the one in the deal, set up until a definitive solution could be found), not indefinitely. The indefinite one, where the UK parliament would have had the last say on any agreement, got shot down by the EU.

4. Why would they attack Irish customs officers (because that's all that's gonna be needed on the border, no military officers) but not British ones? That makes no sense at all, especially since the Brits leaving the EU is the cause for this mess in the first place. I agree on the streets that got reopened after 1993, they probably will need to be blocked again. But again, making a road impassable doesn't mean militarizing a border. And again, that doesn't void the letter of the GFA.

While we're at it, Ireland leaving the EU wouldn't solve any of these problems, the only thing that does is Northern Ireland becoming part of Ireland again

5. Again, Ireland has every right to do so as long the border doesn't get militarized, Besides, custom checks on both sides are gonna be mandatory after a no-deal Brexit. Or let me quote from another source: " in a no-deal Brexit scenario, the EU and the UK must trade with each other in line with the MFN obligation. The EU would have to treat goods coming from the UK in the same way as any other third-country goods. Likewise, the UK, following a re-negotiation of its Schedules of Concessions and Commitments on goods and a settlement of its regulatory environment with the EU and all other WTO members, would be required to raise duties and conduct border requirements without distinguishing between products originating in the EU or any other nation. Unless and until the UK negotiates new preferential trade agreements with other countries – including the EU – the country will have to trade goods on a MFN basis. As a result, at the land borders with the UK, as well as at EU ports and airports, the EU will apply the same border checks for goods originating in the UK as it does for goods coming from any other non-preferential trade partner. Absent an agreement between the two blocs, goods crossing the North/South Irish border or arriving by sea or air will be subject to EU customs duties, VAT and excise duties, as well as EU rules of origin, EU product safety and quality standards, EU sanitary requirements for live animals and products of animal origin and EU environmental protection and animal welfare rules. By the same token, the UK will have to apply its MFN duties and border controls on goods coming from the EU."

In other words, both the EU and the UK will have to impose and enforce border checks. I already explained that those don't break the GFA several times. And, as you can see, since the UK is also forcing themselves to border checks if they go No-Deal, even if border checks would break the GFA (which, again, it doesn't!), then both would have to break it, not just Ireland. In fact, the UK are already preparing themselves to create a hard border with Ireland. No exception from Articles 21 and 24 either, by the way: "The pivotal non-discrimination obligation enshrined in Article I GATT 1994 therefore casts doubt upon the position of the UK Government and the arguments of some Brexiteers mentioned above. In the event of a hard Brexit, the WTO MFN principle will entail a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. Exceptions such as the national security exception under Article XXI or the frontier tariff exception under Article XXIV:3 GATT 1994 will not apply. Unless and until the UK and the EU conclude a preferential trade agreement such as a free trade agreement or a customs union as authorised by Article XXIV, a hard South/North Irish border will remain."

Also, if you're so concerned about smuggling into the EU, how about smuggling into the UK instead? The EU has much more and cheaper goods to send into the UK than what the UK has to offer. In other words, the UK will need to install border checks, too. For instance, smugglers are getting ready to smuggle cigarettes en masse into the UK

1. This does not match up to what Geoffrey Cox claims who's the attorney general ... (basically if the UK does not get a permanent trade deal there is no mechanism to end the backstop) 

4. @Bold You are naive if you truly believe that. Just who the hell do you expect to man those blocked crossing points from being breached with very dangerous weapons such as bombs ? WTH is the point in blocking crossings if you aren't going to guard it ? An EU associate is not kidding when they claim there's going to be a hard Irish border place ... 

5. Customs checks are definitely going to be necessary but you can't be actually serious that Ireland won't need militarized armed guards if they decide to block so many points, right ? 

Hammond's position does not match the government's position so pay no attention to him. As for the Article 21, sure it applies as long as both Ireland and the UK agree to it because the important opening statement of the article starts with "Nothing in this Agreement shall be construed" which means the WTO rules straight up don't apply under these circumstances. Ireland would be breaking the GFA first by raising up a hard border first which is why the UK will wait before coming to claim Northern Ireland to itself forever ... 

The UK isn't concerned about smuggling from the EU when they've had a trade deficit with them for years. In a no deal scenario the UK has a chance to return the favour. IF AND WHEN a border is decided by Ireland that is when smuggling will end on either side but it will also close the path to reunification ... 

I am very much looking forward to the fated day when the EU will turn against Ireland ...  

1. Let me just quote the relevant sentence in your link, which is the very first line: "The UK is “indefinitely committed” to the Irish backstop if it comes into force". If it comes to force, which it only does if there's a deal on it. In a no deal scenario, no backstop either way. But yeah, if there is a deal, then the UK will stay in the trade union anyway, which renders the backstop pretty much moot.

4+5. There are ways to block them, like destroying the road and building a hill instead to make it impassable for vehicles (something that has been done countless times in Luxembourg when they rerouted some streets to go around town and cities instead of straight through them, so that shouldn't be much of a problem to do). They can always be rebuilt after reunification. And since these weapons would be smuggled into te UK and not the other way around, it's the UK who would need stonger security there, not Ireland. In other words, the UK is fucking themselves as there's no good way out for them here. Either the Troubles respark, or Northern Ireland votes to leave the UK, or first the Troubles and then the vote, but in either way a British NI is fucked. And they have to keep NI as close as possible, as a vote in NI will also definitely spur one in Scotland again. So, what will it be? Prison your fellow Scottish and Northern Irish citizen into your country and face the violence of that decision, or let them go, fully knowing that it will cripple the UK.

About Hammond, it doesn't matter if he follows UK government stance or not, as he's just explaining the WTO rules there which the UK are forced to follow.

And about your smuggling, lol. UK with what goods will return that favor? Those blocked in Calais and Rotterdam because border checks are going on forever, delaying production so much that BMW already said they will shut down their Mini production plant for an entire month because the parts will not flow in time anymore to make the production go as it did before Brexit?Almost all UK goods need some parts from factories outside the UK, and on food the UK can only produce about 60% of what it consumes. There's just no way that the UK will turn the tide anytime soon.

Plus, like I said before, if the UK gets caught smuggling you can bet your ass nobody in the entire world would want to trade with you anymore until that practice stops



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fatslob-:O on 15 February 2019
Bofferbrauer2 said:

1. Let me just quote the relevant sentence in your link, which is the very first line: "The UK is “indefinitely committed” to the Irish backstop if it comes into force". If it comes to force, which it only does if there's a deal on it. In a no deal scenario, no backstop either way. But yeah, if there is a deal, then the UK will stay in the trade union anyway, which renders the backstop pretty much moot.

4+5. There are ways to block them, like destroying the road and building a hill instead to make it impassable for vehicles (something that has been done countless times in Luxembourg when they rerouted some streets to go around town and cities instead of straight through them, so that shouldn't be much of a problem to do). They can always be rebuilt after reunification. And since these weapons would be smuggled into te UK and not the other way around, it's the UK who would need stonger security there, not Ireland. In other words, the UK is fucking themselves as there's no good way out for them here. Either the Troubles respark, or Northern Ireland votes to leave the UK, or first the Troubles and then the vote, but in either way a British NI is fucked. And they have to keep NI as close as possible, as a vote in NI will also definitely spur one in Scotland again. So, what will it be? Prison your fellow Scottish and Northern Irish citizen into your country and face the violence of that decision, or let them go, fully knowing that it will cripple the UK.

About Hammond, it doesn't matter if he follows UK government stance or not, as he's just explaining the WTO rules there which the UK are forced to follow.

And about your smuggling, lol. UK with what goods will return that favor? Those blocked in Calais and Rotterdam because border checks are going on forever, delaying production so much that BMW already said they will shut down their Mini production plant for an entire month because the parts will not flow in time anymore to make the production go as it did before Brexit?Almost all UK goods need some parts from factories outside the UK, and on food the UK can only produce about 60% of what it consumes. There's just no way that the UK will turn the tide anytime soon.

Plus, like I said before, if the UK gets caught smuggling you can bet your ass nobody in the entire world would want to trade with you anymore until that practice stops

4/5. Breaking roads won't be enough since smuggling can occur in ports, airports or railways. Hills ? They can still be destroyed or one can go around them so it's pretty clear that Ireland will need armed guards to prevent breaching especially when there's not any other realistic solution in place with over 200 crossing points. Don't worry about the security of the UK, in fact most of the arms that the Irish paramilitaries procured were from Syria when they brokered a deal with colonel Gaddafi to have them shipped directly to Northern Ireland and I doubt Ireland is keen on letting their civilians have military grade weapons so the potential for arms smuggling through the Irish border seems remote. If the worst comes to it then the UK will just increase the police force to control any violent dissidents and that's a realistic option since it's a lot easier to enforce authority over a smaller area ... 

@Bold Or Ireland can just leave the EU single market if they really care about Northern Ireland ... 

As for the rest, I don't think you understand the UK very well. Northern Ireland is not even in the same situation as Scotland since the former requires that it's own Secretary of State to call for a vote. Despite your constant fear mongering though the UK is a more functional union than the EU is and Scotland's own nationalist party (SNP) got decimated in the last general election (they lost 21 seats) AFTER the referendum so the Scots clearly aren't all that impressed with the EU to dump the UK ... (the strength of the union will be tested again during the May local elections in Northern Ireland and I suspect that the DUP will make some gains since they secured a billion quids in funding for Northern Ireland in a coalition with the Conservative party) 

The ports in Calais and Rotterdam don't block goods coming from other EU members so the if the UK has a backdoor then the same applies. While the UK's own domestic production may not be able to undercut the EU, I'm pretty sure their imported goods will and trade surpluses will start to build up for the UK ...  

It's going to be a day of reckoning once the EU and Ireland turn against each other ...



only777 on 15 February 2019
ShadowSoldier said:
I pray England gets a second Ref...there was a lot of lying and underhanded tactics used to propagate the Leave campaign...its especially fishy since all the people who pushed for Brexit have now all disappeared or resigned.

Both sides were guilty of this.  Both leave and remain broke the rules.

Plus you could say that the people who pushed for remain is disappeared.  the best example is david cameron (The PM at the time) who said he would carry out Brexit if the people voted for it even though he wanted to remain.  Almost straight after the vote, he quit.



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Bofferbrauer2 on 15 February 2019
fatslob-:O said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

1. Let me just quote the relevant sentence in your link, which is the very first line: "The UK is “indefinitely committed” to the Irish backstop if it comes into force". If it comes to force, which it only does if there's a deal on it. In a no deal scenario, no backstop either way. But yeah, if there is a deal, then the UK will stay in the trade union anyway, which renders the backstop pretty much moot.

4+5. There are ways to block them, like destroying the road and building a hill instead to make it impassable for vehicles (something that has been done countless times in Luxembourg when they rerouted some streets to go around town and cities instead of straight through them, so that shouldn't be much of a problem to do). They can always be rebuilt after reunification. And since these weapons would be smuggled into te UK and not the other way around, it's the UK who would need stonger security there, not Ireland. In other words, the UK is fucking themselves as there's no good way out for them here. Either the Troubles respark, or Northern Ireland votes to leave the UK, or first the Troubles and then the vote, but in either way a British NI is fucked. And they have to keep NI as close as possible, as a vote in NI will also definitely spur one in Scotland again. So, what will it be? Prison your fellow Scottish and Northern Irish citizen into your country and face the violence of that decision, or let them go, fully knowing that it will cripple the UK.

About Hammond, it doesn't matter if he follows UK government stance or not, as he's just explaining the WTO rules there which the UK are forced to follow.

And about your smuggling, lol. UK with what goods will return that favor? Those blocked in Calais and Rotterdam because border checks are going on forever, delaying production so much that BMW already said they will shut down their Mini production plant for an entire month because the parts will not flow in time anymore to make the production go as it did before Brexit?Almost all UK goods need some parts from factories outside the UK, and on food the UK can only produce about 60% of what it consumes. There's just no way that the UK will turn the tide anytime soon.

Plus, like I said before, if the UK gets caught smuggling you can bet your ass nobody in the entire world would want to trade with you anymore until that practice stops

4/5. Breaking roads won't be enough since smuggling can occur in ports, airports or railways. Hills ? They can still be destroyed or one can go around them so it's pretty clear that Ireland will need armed guards to prevent breaching especially when there's not any other realistic solution in place with over 200 crossing points. Don't worry about the security of the UK, in fact most of the arms that the Irish paramilitaries procured were from Syria when they brokered a deal with colonel Gaddafi to have them shipped directly to Northern Ireland and I doubt Ireland is keen on letting their civilians have military grade weapons so the potential for arms smuggling through the Irish border seems remote. If the worst comes to it then the UK will just increase the police force to control any violent dissidents and that's a realistic option since it's a lot easier to enforce authority over a smaller area ... 

@Bold Or Ireland can just leave the EU single market if they really care about Northern Ireland ... 

As for the rest, I don't think you understand the UK very well. Northern Ireland is not even in the same situation as Scotland since the former requires that it's own Secretary of State to call for a vote. Despite your constant fear mongering though the UK is a more functional union than the EU is and Scotland's own nationalist party (SNP) got decimated in the last general election (they lost 21 seats) AFTER the referendum so the Scots clearly aren't all that impressed with the EU to dump the UK ... (the strength of the union will be tested again during the May local elections in Northern Ireland and I suspect that the DUP will make some gains since they secured a billion quids in funding for Northern Ireland in a coalition with the Conservative party) 

The ports in Calais and Rotterdam don't block goods coming from other EU members so the if the UK has a backdoor then the same applies. While the UK's own domestic production may not be able to undercut the EU, I'm pretty sure their imported goods will and trade surpluses will start to build up for the UK ...  

It's going to be a day of reckoning once the EU and Ireland turn against each other ...

4+5: Anything that arrives in a port or airport in Ireland gets checked by customs, even if the goods come from the EU. The reason is that ships are huge and and not all goods are guaranteed to come from the same source. Also, in case of fresh foods and livestock, everything needs to be controlled no matter where it comes from due to hygiene and disease prevention (that's basically true for every island as they get counted as a whole in these scenarios, but apart from Ireland there are just a couple more islands where it applies, Borneo, Cyprus, Haiti, Papua and Timor are the only other ones that come to mind).

Hills can be destroyed... but having the UK destroying hills in Ireland would be qualified as an invasion, as they have no right whatsoever to be there. So forget about the UK even trying to do that (in case you didn't understand, just on the Ireland side would the road be covered with a hill to male it impracticable, unless the UK would want to do the same on their part of the road).

In other words, roads will be the only viable points of entry for your smuggling. You can always try off-road, but since the Trucks are not built for going oof-road you'll have to do it with SUVs - and they transport considerably less than a Truck. So unless they smuggle high-value contraband, smuggling by SUV will only amount to a drop in the ocean.

@underlined: You got a source for that? Also, you think that's still true almost 10 years after Gadaffi's death? Besides, it doesn't need military grade weaponry for guerilla tactics, plus most civilian versions of military guns can be converted into military grade by halfway skilled gunsmiths. But in any case, gun smuggling was just meant as a counterargument and showing that smuggling can go both ways. You didn't understand that, you failed the test.

@bold: Or UK lets Ireland reunify if they care for the inhabitants of Northern Ireland. Problem solved

Me, fear mongering? You are the doomsayer here, telling how supposedly Ireland and the EU will go down in flames. That's the hypocrisy of most Brexiteers by the way as far as I found out, as any Brexiteer I met or talked to acted like doom and gloom would hit everybody, but not the UK if they leave.

@italic: You seriously need some lessons in macroeconomics. I won't even try to teach you there anymore, having tried the last half dozen of posts or so.

About the last line, oh yeah it will. And since the Last Judgement is based on the thinking that the dead will raise beforehand, it will only happen after a Zombie apocalypse, so basically never  



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Bofferbrauer2 on 15 February 2019

Just found this on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRMwCz_Q9b4

Looks like everybody fears the effects of Brexit on both sides of the Northern Irish border - except the DUP leadership.



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JRPGfan on 15 February 2019

EU is signing a $22+ billion a year free-trade agreement with New Zealand.... and the UK is going to be left out of it.



fatslob-:O on 16 February 2019
Bofferbrauer2 said:

4+5: Anything that arrives in a port or airport in Ireland gets checked by customs, even if the goods come from the EU. The reason is that ships are huge and and not all goods are guaranteed to come from the same source. Also, in case of fresh foods and livestock, everything needs to be controlled no matter where it comes from due to hygiene and disease prevention (that's basically true for every island as they get counted as a whole in these scenarios, but apart from Ireland there are just a couple more islands where it applies, Borneo, Cyprus, Haiti, Papua and Timor are the only other ones that come to mind).

Hills can be destroyed... but having the UK destroying hills in Ireland would be qualified as an invasion, as they have no right whatsoever to be there. So forget about the UK even trying to do that (in case you didn't understand, just on the Ireland side would the road be covered with a hill to male it impracticable, unless the UK would want to do the same on their part of the road).

In other words, roads will be the only viable points of entry for your smuggling. You can always try off-road, but since the Trucks are not built for going oof-road you'll have to do it with SUVs - and they transport considerably less than a Truck. So unless they smuggle high-value contraband, smuggling by SUV will only amount to a drop in the ocean.

@underlined: You got a source for that? Also, you think that's still true almost 10 years after Gadaffi's death? Besides, it doesn't need military grade weaponry for guerilla tactics, plus most civilian versions of military guns can be converted into military grade by halfway skilled gunsmiths. But in any case, gun smuggling was just meant as a counterargument and showing that smuggling can go both ways. You didn't understand that, you failed the test.

@bold: Or UK lets Ireland reunify if they care for the inhabitants of Northern Ireland. Problem solved

Me, fear mongering? You are the doomsayer here, telling how supposedly Ireland and the EU will go down in flames. That's the hypocrisy of most Brexiteers by the way as far as I found out, as any Brexiteer I met or talked to acted like doom and gloom would hit everybody, but not the UK if they leave.

@italic: You seriously need some lessons in macroeconomics. I won't even try to teach you there anymore, having tried the last half dozen of posts or so.

About the last line, oh yeah it will. And since the Last Judgement is based on the thinking that the dead will raise beforehand, it will only happen after a Zombie apocalypse, so basically never  

4/5. EU import procedures only apply to non-member states so they do not apply to any member states even if they arrive from ferries via Ireland. As far as hygiene or disease prevention, it is the member states job to make sure that livestock meets these regulations and not the EU so in the case of non-compliance the EU will suspend the said member from participating in the customs union ... 

UK officials wouldn't be the ones destroying the hills, it would be most likely Irish nationalists so one way or another Ireland is going to have to arm themselves against breaches because trying to create a near impenetrable hill at a length of nearly 500km isn't viable ... (those who live near the border are mostly Irish nationalists communities after all so British unionists at the east couldn't give a shit about what happens at the border) 

As for using SUVs to get around the hill, they could instead just use some 4x4 trucks and have transport trucks parked at both sides of the road so hills would only delay the inevitable by a few minutes at most. Leaving blocked crossing points unattended would be disaster for Ireland or the EU and as I've clearly laid out the case against you it's not an option for them ... 

As for sources here you go where you can start from page 9 of the document under the title 'Arms'. This is coming straight out of Ulster University's CAIN website. The summary is basically this, arms trafficking in the Republic of Ireland wasn't all that successful (I doubt it would be considering the security near the border) since Irish authorities often cracked down on arms dealing so Irish paramilitaries mostly relied on direct shipment of arms from Libya to Northern Ireland ... (this is a much more plausible theory since the majority of the weapons were confiscated within Northern Ireland rather than the Republic of Ireland)

@Bold LOL, no they can't. The civilian versions of these small firearms have very different internal components compared to their military counterparts. Gunsmiths would practically have to create a new firearm from scratch to match the military versions and they'd have to do it with CNC milling machines which cost an upwards of tens of thousands of dollars so it's not realistic to acquire military grade weapons this way but even explaining all that I have yet to divulge other issues such as magazines or explosive weapons. Your gun smuggling argument doesn't amount to much since they usually didn't arrive at the border but from the Celtic Sea to Northern Ireland ... 

The problem with your proposal is that most of the Northern Ireland representatives prefer to stay with the UK. How about the border communities just move to the Republic of Ireland instead and leave the unionists alone ? They can have 'reunification' without needing the land itself if they want to so badly ... 

You are fear mongering for the most part especially since your precious union just had another (Greenland being the first) member left. I didn't say that the UK wouldn't face issues in the process so that's just your projection but I merely pointed out that the UK as a union is in a far stronger state than the EU ... 

LMAO, what I said about the ports from the EU not checking the ferries from other member states remains true and has always been true so you strong arming me into thinking otherwise won't work when you don't even have a source claiming otherwise. I know more of the so called 'macroeconomics' than you do despite the fact that I've only taken a single course in 'microeconomics' in post-secondary school and you're failing to grasp even the basics behind the idea of smuggling which is to normalize supply and demand in a market by bringing in cheaper goods or services from another market ... (the incentive behind smuggling is to decrease demand by being able to bring in lower cost contraband to compete against domestic supply) 

The EU won't take no for an answer from Ireland no matter how much it cries after no deal ...  



only777 on 16 February 2019
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Just found this on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRMwCz_Q9b4

Looks like everybody fears the effects of Brexit on both sides of the Northern Irish border - except the DUP leadership.

Ugh, The Guardian is not a good media outlet.  Where the Daily Mail in the UK is an awful right wing biased and often incorrect news source, the Guardian is just the same but Left instead of right.

They use the same tabloid style unsubstantiated personal hit pieces twinned with scaremongering opinion pieces.  Never use them as a source for anything.



Sony want to make money by selling art, Nintendo want to make money by selling fun, Microsoft want to make money.

Lafiel on 16 February 2019
only777 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Just found this on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRMwCz_Q9b4

Looks like everybody fears the effects of Brexit on both sides of the Northern Irish border - except the DUP leadership.

Ugh, The Guardian is not a good media outlet.  Where the Daily Mail in the UK is an awful right wing biased and often incorrect news source, the Guardian is just the same but Left instead of right.

They use the same tabloid style unsubstantiated personal hit pieces twinned with scaremongering opinion pieces.  Never use them as a source for anything.

so, which news sources do you recommend?