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contestgamer on 15 December 2018
JRPGfan said:
phinch1 said:

Well..... Unfortunately that's how a vote works, the one with the most votes winst he one with the least loses, you could say that about anything though, since the last General election, how many people have died and how many people have become eligible to vote, let's have another election, we have new talent in the England team, let's have a go at the 2018 World Cup again 

"what does brexit mean" was the most searched google question in the UK, the year of the vote, AFTER the vote.
People are uninformed and lied too by politicans like nigel farage & boris johnson.
Plus the russians ran propaganda to for "leave" to push the election in that direction, through cambridge analytica.

What does a vote mean, if its done by the uninformed? and lied too?
Isnt it better to get a new chance to do so, after people see what the reality might well be like?

Most votes people cast are uninformed in every selection. That's how it is. You dont get to keep voting until you get the result you want.



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phinch1 on 15 December 2018
JRPGfan said:
phinch1 said:

Well..... Unfortunately that's how a vote works, the one with the most votes winst he one with the least loses, you could say that about anything though, since the last General election, how many people have died and how many people have become eligible to vote, let's have another election, we have new talent in the England team, let's have a go at the 2018 World Cup again 

"what does brexit mean" was the most searched google question in the UK, the year of the vote, AFTER the vote.
People are uninformed and lied too by politicans like nigel farage & boris johnson.
Plus the russians ran propaganda to for "leave" to push the election in that direction, through cambridge analytica.

What does a vote mean, if its done by the uninformed? and lied too?
Isnt it better to get a new chance to do so, after people see what the reality might well be like?

It's means exactly what was said on the ballot paper

remain a member of the European Union

Leave the European Union. 

 

Leave won 

 

Leaving the European Union means leaving the single market 



contestgamer on 15 December 2018
Ka-pi96 said:
phinch1 said:

Well..... Unfortunately that's how a vote works, the one with the most votes winst he one with the least loses, you could say that about anything though, since the last General election, how many people have died and how many people have become eligible to vote, let's have another election, we have new talent in the England team, let's have a go at the 2018 World Cup again 

Pretty poor examples since there will definitely be another election and there will be a 2022 World Cup. So both of those things will happen again and you'll have another chance to vote/try to win the cup.

So we should vote for brexit every month for infinity right? Oh, actually I'm guessing if NO vote won you wouldnt be so adamant about voting again



Kerotan on 15 December 2018
JRPGfan said:
phinch1 said:

Well..... Unfortunately that's how a vote works, the one with the most votes winst he one with the least loses, you could say that about anything though, since the last General election, how many people have died and how many people have become eligible to vote, let's have another election, we have new talent in the England team, let's have a go at the 2018 World Cup again 

"what does brexit mean" was the most searched google question in the UK, the year of the vote, AFTER the vote.
People are uninformed and lied too by politicans like nigel farage & boris johnson.
Plus the russians ran propaganda to for "leave" to push the election in that direction, through cambridge analytica.

What does a vote mean, if its done by the uninformed? and lied too?
Isnt it better to get a new chance to do so, after people see what the reality might well be like?

The Russians really are genius. They played the British public like a fiddle here. The UK and the EU are at odds with the Russians the last decade. No better way to weaken your rivals then influence a split. They did this with America too. If you're willing to back the Russians into a corner be prepared to pay the price. 

 

I know not everyone voted leave for this reason but many voted because they wanted less people from Africa, Asia and the Middle East moving to Britain. What are they going to to when they realise leaving the EU didn't stop this. If anything with less migrants coming from the EU there will be more coming from those other regions from the commonwealth. 



Barozi on 15 December 2018
phinch1 said:
Barozi said:

You act like the last referendum was the first for the UK to stay in the EU. You're wrong.
There is NO reason not to make a "second" referendum. Since then millions of young people became eligible to vote and millions of old people have died, which makes their vote worthless. If the result stays the same, so be it. But ignoring those millions of votes is definitely much more undemocratic

Well..... Unfortunately that's how a vote works, the one with the most votes winst he one with the least loses, you could say that about anything though, since the last General election, how many people have died and how many people have become eligible to vote, let's have another election, we have new talent in the England team, let's have a go at the 2018 World Cup again 

You obviously don't seem to know why you do a general election every 4 or 5 years instead of every year. The government can't implement everything they promise within such a short period of time. You wouldn't even notice what has changed and which party is responsible for it. Also the MPs would spend more time with campaigning than doing politics. A stable coalition government wouldn't be possible, since you're constantly fighting for votes.

Also this is still not a reason not do do another referendum. You just pointed at something different (a referendum is not an election after all) and then concluded that this must be true for this as well. By March 2019, the last referendum will be almost 3 years old. Also I hope you realize that the last referendum was only advisory at the time. Voting Leave or Remain didn't have any legal consequences.

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dark_gh0st_b0y on 15 December 2018

It really was the biggest democratic exercise, but with many flaws:

- both sides exaggerated in their campaigns giving a very deluded picture to the people, this was very easy to do since promises were based on predictions (Leave campaign's is proving to be the most distant from reality- £350m extra for the run by EU staff NHS anyone?)
- Leave campaigns broke the spending law at least once, how is the referendum democratic if one side broke the fair play law? not to mention taking advantage of people's personal information to promote targeted facebook ads, most of them filled with lies https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44966969
- Scotland and N.Ireland are being dragged out against their will, there is a real risk for Scotexit or NIrexit, especially with no deal, the break up of the kingdom is the worst possible outcome, would make no deal a real devastation
- the Irish border was barely taken into account during the campaigns but turned out to be a real issue

Leave won but the result was very close, going with no deal would ignore the 48%, hence May's deal is the right thing to do

if not, taking into account the actual facts, people must be asked if this is really the path they want to take, since it will affect the country for decades, and mostly the young people who had no say 2.5 years ago

2nd referendum = more democracy



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

contestgamer on 15 December 2018
dark_gh0st_b0y said:

It really was the biggest democratic exercise, but with many flaws:

- both sides exaggerated in their campaigns giving a very deluded picture to the people, this was very easy to do since promises were based on predictions (Leave campaign's is proving to be the most distant from reality- £350m extra for the run by EU staff NHS anyone?)
- Leave campaigns broke the spending law at least once, how is the referendum democratic if one side broke the fair play law? not to mention taking advantage of people's personal information to promote targeted facebook ads, most of them filled with lies https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44966969
- Scotland and N.Ireland are being dragged out against their will, there is a real risk for Scotexit or NIrexit, especially with no deal, the break up of the kingdom is the worst possible outcome, would make no deal a real devastation
- the Irish border was barely taken into account during the campaigns but turned out to be a real issue

Leave won but the result was very close, going with no deal would ignore the 48%, hence May's deal is the right thing to do

if not, taking into account the actual facts, people must be asked if this is really the path they want to take, since it will affect the country for decades, and mostly the young people who had no say 2.5 years ago

2nd referendum = more democracy

10th referendum = even more democracy

1 a month referendum = even more



Barozi on 15 December 2018
contestgamer said:
Barozi said:

You act like the last referendum was the first for the UK to stay in the EU. You're wrong.
There is NO reason not to make a "second" referendum. Since then millions of young people became eligible to vote and millions of old people have died, which makes their vote worthless. If the result stays the same, so be it. But ignoring those millions of votes is definitely much more undemocratic.

That is really dumb logic. We should have elections every year then. Actually every day, because many old people die daily and young are born too.

1. referendums aren't elections.
2. I explained the reasons why an election shouldn't be done every year in my following post.
3. results of general elections have an impact within a few weeks after the election is over. This referendum will start having an (legal) impact almost 3 years later.
Question: Would you make a final decision 3 years in advance for something important and then stand with it no matter what things have changed in the mean time or would you rather check if it's still the right decision some time before the deadline ends to make the decision?



phinch1 on 15 December 2018
Barozi said:
phinch1 said:

Well..... Unfortunately that's how a vote works, the one with the most votes winst he one with the least loses, you could say that about anything though, since the last General election, how many people have died and how many people have become eligible to vote, let's have another election, we have new talent in the England team, let's have a go at the 2018 World Cup again 

You obviously don't seem to know why you do a general election every 4 or 5 years instead of every year. The government can't implement everything they promise within such a short period of time. You wouldn't even notice what has changed and which party is responsible for it. Also the MPs would spend more time with campaigning than doing politics. A stable coalition government wouldn't be possible, since you're constantly fighting for votes.

Also this is still not a reason not do do another referendum. You just pointed at something different (a referendum is not an election after all) and then concluded that this must be true for this as well. By March 2019, the last referendum will be almost 3 years old. Also I hope you realize that the last referendum was only advisory at the time. Voting Leave or Remain didn't have any legal consequences

 

So if we'd have voted to remain, it would have only been advisory ? We should have had another vote nearly 3 years later? And every three years then on? 



kirby007 on 15 December 2018

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