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LurkerJ said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/11/no-brexit-increasingly-likely-jeremy-hunt-warns-billionaire/

Politicians will be killed if they overturn Brexit.

(I say 'killed' instead of 'murdered' because it will be lawful as far as ~50% of the population are concerned)



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For anyone concerned that Land Rover is fucked because of Brexit....
90% of their sales are diesel.
50% of their sales are from China.
The idea that Brexit will have an effect bigger than a 10% fall from China is silly.



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Well, May said she wanted to get in the history books when she first became PM, and she's certainly achieved that - first government ever to be held in contempt of parliament, and now her government's been on the receiving end of the worst defeat in a parliamentary vote in history, after losing the vote on her withdrawal agreement by a margin of about 230 votes.

For reference, the previous worst defeat was suffered in 1924. By a Labour government who weren't even the biggest party in parliament at the time.



OlfinBedwere said:

Well, May said she wanted to get in the history books when she first became PM, and she's certainly achieved that - first government ever to be held in contempt of parliament, and now her government's been on the receiving end of the worst defeat in a parliamentary vote in history, after losing the vote on her withdrawal agreement by a margin of about 230 votes.

For reference, the previous worst defeat was suffered in 1924. By a Labour government who weren't even the biggest party in parliament at the time.

And yet last night showed us that nothing from yesterday mattered ... 

Theresa May is just the ERG and DUP's play thing so no deal is looking more likely than ever as time keeps passing. It's passed the point of redemption to stake out another referendum, a general election is also out of the question too, and I also wonder if the remainer rebels within the conservative party have what it takes to defy their own party to revoke article 50 but seeing them against a vote of no confidence means that they are content with letting no deal happen ... 

As for labour, does Corbyn actually care at all ? At some point he's going to have to reveal his hand along with his true face ... 

So little options with so little time left ... 



God Bless the Remain-ocrats.

To lose but still uphold the result of the referendum deserves major credit.

The history books will judge you well.



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Pyro as Bill said:
For anyone concerned that Land Rover is fucked because of Brexit....
90% of their sales are diesel.
50% of their sales are from China.
The idea that Brexit will have an effect bigger than a 10% fall from China is silly.

Brexit is one of three factors that the CEO said would make a 'perfect storm' that would make Jaguar Land Rover struggle and re-think their future investments.

You named the other two.



I have to ask (I'm probably going to regret this), what do some of you guys think "no deal" actually means?



CuCabeludo said:
OlfinBedwere said:

So, you're saying it's going to collapse... and then turn into something that's almost as big of a threat?

Every country will ultimately regain the power they lost after they entered this supertate, like the control of their borders. You can't run a welfare state that keeps importing migrants that don't work, but keep receiving free money from the government at the cost of taxing the middle class into oblivion. Protests in France just tell you that people are fed up with paying higher and higher taxes.

Migration is only good if the undiviuals come to a place to work and produce due to the lack of native people to work, bad if it is only about sucking the public tits.

This is demonstrably false. Any EU Country can kick out an immigrant from another EU Country if they don't have a job or can't financially support them-self after 3 months so they don't become a burden on that nations tax payers.

The UK government actively decided not to implement that rule.



phinch1 said:
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/british-swiss-relations_swiss-government-approves-trade-agreement-with-britain/44619068#.XBcA6yhenBc.facebook

Swiss have already accepted a trade deal with us, even in the event of no deal, bet other countries do the same, we're a huge buying country

That's not a new trade deal, that's just maintaining the status-quo.



phinch1 said:
Stocko2k17 said:

We haven't left yet you fool, I love how people say 'employment is up despite Brexit', yet we still haven't left have we?

Maybe stop focusing on yourself and see how this will effect our employment of NHS workers, doctors and manufacturing industries after we leave the single market.

I'm not fear mongering, I'm listening to facts and not getting deluded by ideas of 'getting our sovereignty back' or blue bloody passports.

Fact it, if we leave GDP decreases, the economy decreases - this has been proven - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46366162 - 3.9% decrease under May's plan or 9.3% under a 'no deal scenario' - I don't think that was on the voting slip, no?

No matter how much you want to sugar coat it of 'cheaper food on WTO' if people are poorer, they can't buy any food can they?

You can say 'hurrah' to more employment now, BUT WE HAVEN'T LEFT YET. 

Like I said, if you can read? We were told by just "voting to leave" the £ would collapse and we'd be in a recession (before we even leave)

 

It hasn't

 

We have 63 thousand EU NHS workers we also have 3.8 million EU Nationals living in the UK

So EU workers living here definitely put more stress on the NHS than help

Those statistics, interesting they're the same people who predicted the recession, and the instant job losses, (which again they were wrong on) why should anyone believe they're predictions now? It's fear mongering at its finest

The £ did collapse.

The BoE staved off recession by reducing the interest rates to 0.25% and pumping an additional £70 billion into the economy (quantitative easing is generally not a good sign). We were also fortunate that the global economy improved.

EU migrants pay in more than they take out, are far more likely to be of working age and therefore will rarely use the NHS. On the other hand we have a shortage of staff and a government that isn't training enough UK doctors and nurses. EU workers do not put more stress on the NHS than they contribute to it either directly via working for the NHS or indirectly through taxes.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/about-department/fiscal-effects-immigration-uk

 

At the moment you're arguing how it's not as bad as people made it out... but how is leaving with no deal going to improve your life?