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DonFerrari said:
OTBWY said:

Yet it did sell over a million units at a much higher pricepoint aimed at a specific audience. That is a special edition price sold each time. You bet that it made them money lol. Anyway, you were the one who brought it in when it shouldn't have been. This was about the PS Classic, a classic console that failed so why?

The thread is about failures of the year.

I'll repeat again, if the product have failed to sell the first shipment so longer after release then it's a failure. But then again I'm the one being defensive or damaging control right?

This is one of the biggest damage control of the year. Congrats!!



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OTBWY said:
DonFerrari said:

The thread is about failures of the year.

I'll repeat again, if the product have failed to sell the first shipment so longer after release then it's a failure. But then again I'm the one being defensive or damaging control right?

Thread is about the PS Classic, so yes, you are the one being defensive and derailing the thread. It is damage control like you put it.

Ow so it was purely a thread to flame PSMini, ok then.

manuelogando40 said:
DonFerrari said:

The thread is about failures of the year.

I'll repeat again, if the product have failed to sell the first shipment so longer after release then it's a failure. But then again I'm the one being defensive or damaging control right?

This is one of the biggest damage control of the year. Congrats!!

Thanks. Your recognition means a lot to me.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Don't get the hate. It's a collectors item, a nostalgic gift. Its not meant for someone to be played for hrs on end, More the experience of reliving the past , maybe with friends of that era, and have that good feeling for a while. Even if only for a day or 2 before being stored away on display as a piece of history more or less. I look on youtube and people are actually complaining about graphics and frame rates and performances compared to the originals.. like really?.. the games have aged bad regardless, that's not the point of it.



KratosLives said:
Don't get the hate. It's a collectors item, a nostalgic gift. Its not meant for someone to be played for hrs on end, More the experience of reliving the past , maybe with friends of that era, and have that good feeling for a while. Even if only for a day or 2 before being stored away on display as a piece of history more or less. I look on youtube and people are actually complaining about graphics and frame rates and performances compared to the originals.. like really?.. the games have aged bad regardless, that's not the point of it.

It is meant to be played for hours on end. That's why they include big games like FF7. And giving people a worse version of the games they love is not ideal. 



Don't understand the hate.. Sony knew who they were targeting with this release and folks themselves knew who was going to buy. I bought one for the sheer nostalgic factor as well as hacking it so it can run other games I want it to that weren't included. The mod community is progressing ratherly nicely and soon enough I we'll get a more user friendly mod method similar to hakchi and this thing should blow up. No different from my mini nes or snes. These are consoles I grew up with and for me that was worth the entry price. Yes, you can emulate everything nowadays on anything, but.it makes no difference. Just because I can emulate nes, snes, psx, etc on most my devices, having this little piece of history I can pass down to my 1 yr old boy when he's ready to get into the gaming world justifies it all.



Man.. I hate it when your girl has to leave my place to come back to you..

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KratosLives said:
Don't get the hate. It's a collectors item, a nostalgic gift. Its not meant for someone to be played for hrs on end, More the experience of reliving the past , maybe with friends of that era, and have that good feeling for a while. Even if only for a day or 2 before being stored away on display as a piece of history more or less. I look on youtube and people are actually complaining about graphics and frame rates and performances compared to the originals.. like really?.. the games have aged bad regardless, that's not the point of it.

Sorry man, but a 2018 HW shouldn't be displaying those games from 90's worse than they were on the original HW. If it do that then it doesn't deserve any love.

RolStoppable said:
DonFerrari said:

Ow so it was purely a thread to flame PSMini, ok then.

Yes, this thread was always meant to be about the PS Classic. "One of the biggest fails of the year" is meant to describe the magnitude of its failure, not as an invitation to talk about other failures; otherwise the original post would have asked for the other big failures of 2018.

While the OP's intention is suspect, to put it mildly, you aren't any better with your focus on Labo while ignoring all other failures of 2018. It's a classic Nintendo vs. Sony case. On a sidenote, Labo also has its own thread.

As for flaming the PS Classic, that's not correct. Objects can't be flamed, so that would be trolling. However, something isn't trolling just because it's negative. If something is objectively a failure - and early sales reports suggest that, such as from Japan where the PS Classic debuted to 1/2 and 1/3 of the numbers of the NES Classic and SNES Classic, respectively - then any discussion about said something is bound to be negative.

As I said the other failures of 2018 I can't even remember (and seem like no one else remembered).

I'm pretty sure a flamethrower can flame an object.

And if selling 1/3 of a competitor can be deemed a failure then we can certainly put a lot of things under biggest fails of the year.

Now do OP know the expectation and real sales to compare and determine a failure or is just his gut felling?

Yes Labo have it's thread, where it's been asked if it will have a big increase in sale as several users expected/said during the launch window. Nowhere on OP of that thread or even in most of the comments Labo is being trolled (but of course there are people really defending it, which coincidentally are here complaining of defense of PSMini, which I haven't seem any).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

KratosLives said:
Don't get the hate. It's a collectors item, a nostalgic gift. Its not meant for someone to be played for hrs on end, More the experience of reliving the past , maybe with friends of that era, and have that good feeling for a while. Even if only for a day or 2 before being stored away on display as a piece of history more or less. I look on youtube and people are actually complaining about graphics and frame rates and performances compared to the originals.. like really?.. the games have aged bad regardless, that's not the point of it.

A Collector's Piece that's not intended to actually be played?  That's not what Sony said when they announced it...

Eric Lempel Senior Vice President, PlayStation Worldwide Marketing, SIE:

"Today, we are excited to announce that we are bringing back the original PlayStation experience in a new miniaturized version – PlayStation Classic!
Long-time fans will appreciate the nostalgia that comes with rediscovering the games they know and love, while gamers who might be new to the platform can enjoy the groundbreaking PlayStation console experience that started it all."

Doesn't sound at all like they were positioning it as something that's just supposed to sit on your shelf and not be played.  Sony was very clear about pushing "the PlayStation experience".  That's not targeting a "collector" only.  Also, the people commenting on the announcement were giving their dream list of games they wanted on it.  If this was for "collector's only", and "not meant to actually be played", nobody would care about what games were on it.

BillyBong said:
Don't understand the hate.. Sony knew who they were targeting with this release and folks themselves knew who was going to buy. I bought one for the sheer nostalgic factor as well as hacking it so it can run other games I want it to that weren't included. The mod community is progressing ratherly nicely and soon enough I we'll get a more user friendly mod method similar to hakchi and this thing should blow up. No different from my mini nes or snes. These are consoles I grew up with and for me that was worth the entry price. Yes, you can emulate everything nowadays on anything, but.it makes no difference. Just because I can emulate nes, snes, psx, etc on most my devices, having this little piece of history I can pass down to my 1 yr old boy when he's ready to get into the gaming world justifies it all. 

Also, we can stop with the all the spin about, Sony never intended to sell to people who were looking to actually play the games.  They very intentionally cast a wide net hoping to sucker in unsuspecting consumers at retail.  They charged a premium price for an inferior product.  I also love how people say, it's no big deal, because it can be modded to perform better.  The modding community is a very small percentage of the consumer base who buys video game systems.  Sony knows that.  That's where their announcement PR was specifically targeted towards the average consumer.  It's not the average consumer's responsibility to make a manufacturer's product function properly.  Especially not after shelling out $100 for said product.  People think the PlayStation Classic is unfairly compared to the NES & SNES Classics which is the biggest laugh of all.  Sony invited comparisons against those far superiorly executed products when they decided to give it the exact same name.  Sony wanted to do a fast and cheap holiday cash grab at the expense of the average consumer.  End of story.  

 



Mandalore76 said:
KratosLives said:
Don't get the hate. It's a collectors item, a nostalgic gift. Its not meant for someone to be played for hrs on end, More the experience of reliving the past , maybe with friends of that era, and have that good feeling for a while. Even if only for a day or 2 before being stored away on display as a piece of history more or less. I look on youtube and people are actually complaining about graphics and frame rates and performances compared to the originals.. like really?.. the games have aged bad regardless, that's not the point of it.

A Collector's Piece that's not intended to actually be played?  That's not what Sony said when they announced it...

Eric Lempel Senior Vice President, PlayStation Worldwide Marketing, SIE:

"Today, we are excited to announce that we are bringing back the original PlayStation experience in a new miniaturized version – PlayStation Classic!
Long-time fans will appreciate the nostalgia that comes with rediscovering the games they know and love, while gamers who might be new to the platform can enjoy the groundbreaking PlayStation console experience that started it all."

Doesn't sound at all like they were positioning it as something that's just supposed to sit on your shelf and not be played.  Sony was very clear about pushing "the PlayStation experience".  That's not targeting a "collector" only.  Also, the people commenting on the announcement were giving their dream list of games they wanted on it.  If this was for "collector's only", and "not meant to actually be played", nobody would care about what games were on it.

BillyBong said:
Don't understand the hate.. Sony knew who they were targeting with this release and folks themselves knew who was going to buy. I bought one for the sheer nostalgic factor as well as hacking it so it can run other games I want it to that weren't included. The mod community is progressing ratherly nicely and soon enough I we'll get a more user friendly mod method similar to hakchi and this thing should blow up. No different from my mini nes or snes. These are consoles I grew up with and for me that was worth the entry price. Yes, you can emulate everything nowadays on anything, but.it makes no difference. Just because I can emulate nes, snes, psx, etc on most my devices, having this little piece of history I can pass down to my 1 yr old boy when he's ready to get into the gaming world justifies it all. 

Also, we can stop with the all the spin about, Sony never intended to sell to people who were looking to actually play the games.  They very intentionally cast a wide net hoping to sucker in unsuspecting consumers at retail.  They charged a premium price for an inferior product.  I also love how people say, it's no big deal, because it can be modded to perform better.  The modding community is a very small percentage of the consumer base who buys video game systems.  Sony knows that.  That's where their announcement PR was specifically targeted towards the average consumer.  It's not the average consumer's responsibility to make a manufacturer's product function properly.  Especially not after shelling out $100 for said product.  People think the PlayStation Classic is unfairly compared to the NES & SNES Classics which is the biggest laugh of all.  Sony invited comparisons against those far superiorly executed products when they decided to give it the exact same name.  Sony wanted to do a fast and cheap holiday cash grab at the expense of the average consumer.  End of story.  

 

Continue the hate dude.  Why I purchased has squat to do with whatever Sony's prerogative was and more so that I wanted it because Sony offered it.  The modding community may be small, but modding is also the reason why I purchase such systems.  Same as why I purchased a Wii, a 3ds, a PSP, etc.  Nobody tells you how to spend your money.. why feel the need to find justification in yourself because you didn't purchase such system.  Pat yourself on the back, you didn't purchase the system.  Who cares.  I've been gaming since the mid 80's.. I know what I'm buying and what I'm not.  I don't need another's opinion or a public review to feel like I got my money's worth.  Not sure why it should matter to you also.  I feel I got my money's worth.. you feel it wasn't.. cool.  As for product functioning properly.. it does.  Modding has squat to do with functioning.. only addition to what's currently offered.  Same as with the NES and SNES classic.  No emulation is ever going match original hardware.  The flaws of the psx mini is minor but the potential supercedes it. it's not going ttbe everyone's cup of tea. 

Last edited by BillyBong - on 14 December 2018

Man.. I hate it when your girl has to leave my place to come back to you..

It's sold 120,000 units in Japan in one week, so I think this will do OK, a nice little profit maker for Sony, will buy one myself January time



BillyBong said:
Mandalore76 said:

A Collector's Piece that's not intended to actually be played?  That's not what Sony said when they announced it...

Eric Lempel Senior Vice President, PlayStation Worldwide Marketing, SIE:

"Today, we are excited to announce that we are bringing back the original PlayStation experience in a new miniaturized version – PlayStation Classic!
Long-time fans will appreciate the nostalgia that comes with rediscovering the games they know and love, while gamers who might be new to the platform can enjoy the groundbreaking PlayStation console experience that started it all."

Doesn't sound at all like they were positioning it as something that's just supposed to sit on your shelf and not be played.  Sony was very clear about pushing "the PlayStation experience".  That's not targeting a "collector" only.  Also, the people commenting on the announcement were giving their dream list of games they wanted on it.  If this was for "collector's only", and "not meant to actually be played", nobody would care about what games were on it.

Also, we can stop with the all the spin about, Sony never intended to sell to people who were looking to actually play the games.  They very intentionally cast a wide net hoping to sucker in unsuspecting consumers at retail.  They charged a premium price for an inferior product.  I also love how people say, it's no big deal, because it can be modded to perform better.  The modding community is a very small percentage of the consumer base who buys video game systems.  Sony knows that.  That's where their announcement PR was specifically targeted towards the average consumer.  It's not the average consumer's responsibility to make a manufacturer's product function properly.  Especially not after shelling out $100 for said product.  People think the PlayStation Classic is unfairly compared to the NES & SNES Classics which is the biggest laugh of all.  Sony invited comparisons against those far superiorly executed products when they decided to give it the exact same name.  Sony wanted to do a fast and cheap holiday cash grab at the expense of the average consumer.  End of story.  

 

Continue the hate dude.  Why I purchased has squat to do with whatever Sony's prerogative was and more so that I wanted it because Sony offered it.  The modding community may be small, but modding is also the reason why I purchase such systems.  Same as why I purchased a Wii, a 3ds, a PSP, etc.  Nobody tells you how to spend your money.. why feel the need to find justification in yourself because you didn't purchase such system.  Pat yourself on the back, you didn't purchase the system.  Who cares.  I've been gaming since the mid 80's.. I know what I'm buying and what I'm not.  I don't need another's opinion or a public review to feel like I got my money's worth.  Not sure why it should matter to you also.  I feel I got my money's worth.. you feel it wasn't.. cool.  As for product functioning properly.. it does.  Modding has squat to do with functioning.. only addition to what's currently offered.  Same as with the NES and SNES classic.  No emulation is ever going match original hardware.  The flaws of the psx mini is minor but the potential supercedes it. it's not going ttbe everyone's cup of tea. 

lol.  First you say that Sony knew who they were targeting with the release, implying that it was supposed to be some kind of love letter to the modding community rather than the general impulse buying public.  Then, you immediately contradict yourself by stating Sony's "prerogative" with the release doesn't matter.  And, I'm a "hater" now because I won't shell out $100 to Sony for a product that I would have to make worthwhile on my own after purchase.  Sorry, it doesn't work that way.  It's on the manufacturer to release their product in an already worthwhile state.  It's not on the end consumer to make the manufacturer's product worth it.  If Sony had released a mini console that wasn't choked with filler titles that don't even represent the system they are supposedly attempting to recapture nostalgia for, if they hadn't been so lazy as to use the PAL versions for 50% of the titles they were putting inside a NA released mini, if would have put even the slightest care of making the presentation of the games more enjoyable by adding filters or scanlines; if they had done any of those things that other mini console manufacturers do, then I would have gladly bought one.  But no, I must just be some "Sony hater" because I recognize a lazily, bare minimum invested, rushed out for Christmas cash grab when I see one.