I think I should clarify a little more why I was left so impressed by Nintendo part in the awards.

First of all, Sayonara: It seemed like a really vibrant and honestly, an unique game.But not unique in the sense of"Look, the graphics are different!" but rather that its taking a very different approach to the rhythm(?) genre, and somehow making it seem like an adventure, like a journey.On top of it, it really has a great artstyle.I guess it just resonated with me.

Ultimate Alliance 3:I really liked the first alliance and Im really happy that its back.Not only that, butNintendo also got the rights to it AND in the year that Avengers Infinity War part 2 launches!Business wise this could be huge, assuming the game is good and Nintendo does their part in marketing it.

Mortal Kombat 11, Crash Racing; Dauntless: They are mostly to show that Nintendo is finally gaining, after 20 years, the third party support back.And whats most noteworthy here is that they are all western games.I have predicted, wayyyy back in November 2016, that as the Switch became a success and started fixing Nintendo image with the overall market after the Wii U, that it would start to see third party slowly crawling back to its system.And while I didnt expect it to be this fast(yes, as far as western developers goes, this is fast for me, given how long they have been ignoring Nintendo), its nice to have finally come full circle and be proven (kind of) right.

And finally, Joker on Smash: I love Persona.I love Persona 5.So Im sorry for freaking out over this piece of news.Personally I think this is the biggest news of the show, but thats just me.

Anyway, this was my reasoning.This thread was more to highlight how far Nintendo has come in terms of support and how it maneged to reestructure the company itself, so I did try to stop it from turning it into a console warring by writing that sentence in my OP, but I guess some people cant contain themselves.

Either way, it was an excellent show(because of the games and the awards themselves, not just Nintendo)

I think the issue some people take with your stance, and perhaps don't know how to go about it the right way, is the feeling that you're giving Nintendo a little too much credit and perhaps being a little dramatic in your take on what was at the show involving them. It was nice to see some third party games come to Switch. Mortal Kombat 11 was definitely surprising but you're probably going to find that, outside of hardcore Nintendo fans, there aren't many people who share your sentiment overall.

I would even guess that some hardcore Nintendo fans were lukewarm about the show because it really had no bigger announcement than a popular multiplat fighting game coming to it. Which was actually low-key in its revelation of a Switch version. There's nothing wrong with you being happy with what you saw for Nintendo that night. Even very happy depending on what you enjoy. Just anticipate that a lot of people are not going to agree with you because Metroid Prime 4 is still playing hard-to-get. I do agree that some people should probably chill on turning this into a console war. Which I don't think you intended at all.

I know that.I just felt like giving a better perspective.

I should also say that I throughly enjoyed TGA because it was a great awards show, not just a great gaming show.People should really put their perspectives in place:If you dont go to an awards show for the awards themselves, of course that it will have an "horrible pacing", and "not enough reveals".At least thats how I see it, as there have been people saying these kind of stuffs.I am also dissapointed that there was no metroid, but considering the quality of the show and reveals, Im more than fine with it.

It was a very big improvement over last year, thats for sure.

Animal Crossing is a huge seller too.

Metroid Prime and Bayonetta are not big sellers and not the biggest titles on the list.   They help add variety to the Switch and come across as the type of exclusive we would see on a competitor's system, but they are not big sellers even though I personally enjoy them more than most games.


Animal Crossing Wild World and Animal Crossing New Leaf together sold more than every Metroid and Bayonetta game combined

You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Smash was the number 1 highest selling game on the GameCube at 7 million.  Smash was the 8th best selling game on the Wii at about 13 million.  3rd best selling game on the Wii U.  8th best on the 3DS.  Again, about 13 million between those two versions.

It is a huge game.

Apparently Persona 5, a critically acclaimed game that had awards and nominations from varying groups, only really beaten for some awards by Breath of the Wild, sold 40% more on Amazon or something after the announcement of Joker being in Smash another critically acclaimed franchise that has regularly sold well above 5 million. This is a game that many have asked for on other systems only to be given the response of its exclusive.

Now I almost never care about sales unless its a means to an end. However, its rather interesting that people are attempting to downplay the influence of this.
Some of you are really here trying to frame the OP's thoughts as if it were an isolated opinion, whereas some of yours somehow represent some semblance of objectivity.
A lot of you are clamoring about Metroid this and Metroid that... How many actually bought the last Metroid game that "Everyone asked for"? Not many. And some of you are acting as if there is a factual basis as to why the newest Metroid, the one you've only seen a logo of, will sell demonstrably better.

I get that this isn't the announcement some you expected... but Nintendo never emphasized that it would be. So congrats on setting up personal, unreasonable expectations of franchises that have never sold incredibly well.
'Smash series and Persona 5 don't sell that much. Cranky Kong announcement was somehow better'. Gimme a break...

"Did you really just come back from people expressing disappointment in Nintendo's reveal by touting that they managed to sell more PS4 software?  I'm pretty sure advertising Sony exclusives isn't Nintendo's job."

No... I came at people downplaying the influence of the announcement. I explicitly said that in the very post you're quoting and sentence after that part you responded to. If you are going to willfully omit parts of what I said to serve your argument, don't bother responding to me.

"Hence why you would think they would start hyping things up."

I never said the shouldn't hype it up. You omitted the previous sentence that set up the whole point to serve your argument yet again. I emphasized that those of you trying to downplay the OP's enthusiasm as if his opinion was reflective of the minority whilst all of yours was reflective of the majority. That could not be further from the truth and used what you ill quoted of me to prove my point.

"However, even if Metroid Prime was the dream game to see.  Other first looks at games like Bayonetta 3 would have satisfied as well.  A deeper look at Fire Emblem would have been nice.  Dropping this on the end of a first look at that Shin Megami Tensei V that we heard about almost two years ago now would have been perfect.  Or even just announcing Persona 5 itself coming to the system would have been legit."

The Bayonetta series falls into the same category as Metroid in terms of the recorded appeal and sales department vs the perceived hype that acts as if it the majority. The only one that strays from this is Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem, which already had its trailer and some form of content revealed and would be much better suited for a direct to explain it rather than a random 30-60 second trailer with little to no information given. So another completely moot point. The only thing that has any semblance of a good point is SMTV, and not by much considering they already have shown details, despite it being from a while ago. You bringing up Persona is not worth discussing because what you said next and prior betrays and defeats your point and verifies that you are being disingenuous.

"But a new Smash character that probably 90% of Switch owners responded with "Who's that?" when fans are clambering for dozens of other characters ahead of him?  That's the definition of "meh".

This re-highlights my point. Most of you in this thread, including you, either do not know what you're talking about or a feigning ignorance. Persona 5 and Joker was trending for a significant amount of time. Many Smash heavy youtubers, commentators, and the like made several predictions which included Joker. More than 90% people who reacted to this knew who he was the moment they saw him on screen. Persona 5, outside of Smash, has heavily trended and is well known. Many Switch owners have a PS4. It is laughable that you pulled out the number 90% when it is much closer to the opposite side of the ratio. But hey if you can get me a compilation of people upset by the announcement in lieu of other characters over people who loved it feel free to...

"I stand by Cranky being a better announcement.  He was much more integral to what was a very good game, and didn't cost you an extra $6 for the pleasure."

Don't care that you stand by it. People to this day joke about how bad of announcement that was. You wouldn't be able to find me more than a handful of people doing that for the Smash announcement, and could not find a single one that was well received. The very good game sentence is funny in the sense that you are attempting to make it seem that it is somehow either a bigger or better dedal/value than the Joker reveal. Its a great game. A game that costs full price on the Switch with the only added content being a new Funky Kong mode and an easter egg or too. The reception to that was also very publicly frowned upon and considered a very bad deal.

 I'll reiterate you and the others in this thread are in the minority, and you are very evidently both in denial and like to omit information.

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Admitted I did feel this way after the Joker reveal in Smash. Nintendo's presence may have been small at the VGAs, but what they showed I felt really stuck out. UA3, which that line of games were really fun for me, and a character no one saw coming being revealed just felt really exciting and impactful. Personally, most of the other games revealed at the show didn't really stand out to me and were quickly forgotten.

Nah. This isn't gonna fly by me.

If you say you can't see something that's ONE thing. That being said, if someone says they explicitly said something, if its not there. In my still unedited post, I said downplay the influence. Literally. If you can't see that, that's on you.

However, another thing entirely is to claim that my points weren't clear and I should apologize for (accurately) accusing you of omission. Whenever I'm not clear, I always apologize and clarify because that means you read and misinterpreted whatever I said. That is not the case here. YOU SKIPPED ENTIRE SENTENCES. Sentences that illustrated my entire point for both things I was talking about. You didn't get confused. You didn't misinterpret. You SKIPPED SENTENCES. When you SKIP SENTENCES, the entire point may be lost. In this case, it very clearly was. SKIPPING SENTENCES and then commenting on anything surrounding the SKIPPED SENTENCE(S) is omission. Ergo, you omitted my point because you SKIPPED SENTENCES. Don't tell me I need to apologize because very clearly you omitted my point.

Its another thing entirely to continue omitting after I said not to. Not only that this clearly the most evident one yet. In the bold, underlined part that has multiple brackets on either side of it, you literally deleted the middle of it. THEN  you commented only on the part you didn't delete.

Now you may be wondering, why up until this point I haven't addressed anything else you really said in the reply. I very easily could because it is a very poor rebuttal. I'm not going to because you continue to omit what I said. I'm not going to humor someone who is feigns ignorance. I'm just writing this up to heavily explain why you're not worth having a genuine discussion over this with.