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Medisti said:
twintail said:

 

So ppl are complaining that they won't remove female characters from online?

I like the option to play as females. It's fiction. Taking liberties is the whole point of fiction.

But, come on. EA's statements and handling of the entire release have been nothing short of abhorrent. What PR is "If you don't like it, don't buy it"? A lot of people who were fine with the game are put off by that attitude. "This company wants me to give them my money? No thank you. They're rude."

That is a valid point. How they have handled the PR has been questionable. 

 

KManX89 said:
Medisti said:

I like the option to play as females. It's fiction. Taking liberties is the whole point of fiction.

But, come on. EA's statements and handling of the entire release have been nothing short of abhorrent. What PR is "If you don't like it, don't buy it"? A lot of people who were fine with the game are put off by that attitude. "This company wants me to give them my money? No thank you. They're rude."

The problem is that it's based on a real event. If EA/DICE wanted to make their own original modern shooter with a cricket bat-wielding prosthetic-armed woman, there wouldn't be nearly as much backlash. Granted, there might still be some sexist assholes ripping the game a new one, but nowhere near the level of scathing BFV received, I wonder why.

Operative word is here 'based'. "Based on a real events" means that the real event is the starting point for whatever story or design they choose to make. Not that it reflects said real events as accurately as possible. 

That said, we are talking about a game where you can be revived in MP... real it isn't.



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While I do think crusades like the OPs are silly, all this is going to do is turn people away from Battlefield. It's every bit as childish as some of the criticism. Gaming is a medium aimed primarily at younger people, so a good deal of immaturity is expected, but on the other side is a large corporation supposedly run by adults and businesspeople. This is just plain stupid and creates resentment even in people who didn't care about the changes.

flashfire926 said:

Game was down 85% in pre-orders, compared to Black Ops 4, then 65% down in sales UK when comparing the first two weeks of battlefield 1 to 5. Target and Best Buy dropped the game's price to $30 just a week after launch. As a result EA's stock is also 40% down compared to E3 time.

Keep digging your own grave, DICE. For once I'm going to be clapping if a studio goes belly up.

This is exactly what happens when you pander to an audience that doesnt even play games.

You'll be clapping if 600 people lose their jobs?  Most of whom didn't have a say in the direction of the game?  Just to spite some top dog studio heads who will have another job within a week?

Jesus fucking Christ.  



KManX89 said:

 

KLAMarine said:
This image seems dodgy to me... Is there actual footage of the event?

No live footage, but that screencap was an actual presentation during the event. EA/DICE continued to act like petulant children and call anyone who disapproves a sexist bigot while putting words in their mouth to boot. Spoiler: that's not what most of the detractors were saying.

But with no footage, I fear this image could have been altered. Surely this event has footage available somewhere...



pokoko said:
flashfire926 said:

Game was down 85% in pre-orders, compared to Black Ops 4, then 65% down in sales UK when comparing the first two weeks of battlefield 1 to 5. Target and Best Buy dropped the game's price to $30 just a week after launch. As a result EA's stock is also 40% down compared to E3 time.

Keep digging your own grave, DICE. For once I'm going to be clapping if a studio goes belly up.

This is exactly what happens when you pander to an audience that doesnt even play games.

You'll be clapping if 600 people lose their jobs?  Most of whom didn't have a say in the direction of the game?  Just to spite some top dog studio heads who will have another job within a week?

Jesus fucking Christ.  

Ultimately that's the saddest part in this. If EA gets no repercutions out of this, they would've come out scot free from insulting their audience by both PR and the quality of the product sold. If EA does get repercutions out of this, most of DICE's staff is eventually either going to go unnemployed or absorbed into other studios. People who most likely did not really agree with whoever decided this approach to marketing/game design was a good thing.



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gamers sure do find the stupidest things to get upset about so what if there's females in a ww2 game

If this means EA is one step closer to going under, then keep the insults coming!

Baddman said:
gamers sure do find the stupidest things to get upset about so what if there's females in a ww2 game

Then why not include Resistance women in the game, you know, women who were actually in WW2? But nope, gotta rewrite history and call people uneducated and act like conceited jackasses all in an effort to appease people who won't buy our game, anyway! 

I guar-damn-tee you if they made their own original modern day shooter with a cricket bat-wielding prosthetic-armed woman, there wouldn't be nearly as much backlash as this game is getting, but keep pretending this is about "hating inclusivity". 



At some point you have to wonder if capitalism will get these companies to recenter themselves. I try to see things through the other side's perspective and I can understand the desire to hopefully expand your audience and appeal to people that might not normally play your game. As a father of a daughter, I can certainly understand the sentiment of wanting to make this game relevant to females. That said, the way they did all of this was very poorly planned and executed. When people had issue with the historical accuracy of the game, they chose to conflate the smaller number of oddball complaints with the larger number of legitimate criticisms of the game. Essentially they took a play out of the current Star Wars playbook to say that if you don't like it, you must be a bad person. Your criticism can't possibly be valid. From there, these companies just keep doubling down.

It is not wise to sacrifice your current user base in the attempt to gain new fans from a group that simply might not be that interested in your product. The only real indicator will be sales though. So if everything works out and sales aren't negatively impacted, they will keep doing these things. If sales tank, the almighty dollar will most likely make them reevaluate the strategy.

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