I was just speaking in general, but yeah, different regions did have different release dates.

So are you implying that unless the PS4 can surpass the combined sales of the PS2 and PSP, it is a failure?

The PS3 plus VITA sales are relevant to WiiU plus 3DS sales, so did Sony flop in gen 8?

Also by your logic, the PS4 only now comes close to breaking even from last gen after five years, which by your logic, was a failure anyway.

I mean, if that is how success is to be measured, it should be the same across the board, correct?

Why are you insinuating me things that I never said? Did I bring anything up about Playstation?

I asked why 85M+ sold consoles should be considered as a dark age for Nintendo? And what makes the Switch end this dark age? HE considered 85M+ sold as a dark age NOT ME in his post. And I said that if 85M+ sold is a dark age what makes the release of the Switch the end of this dark age since imo it won't sell much higher than that (if it even reaches 85M).

PS4 doesn't need to outsell it's predecessors to be called a success because they are already on a very very high level (almost impossible to beat). As long as the Playstation 4 still sells strong and makes good money for Sony it's a success for them.

Where is your problem? I never said that this is a dark age for Nintendo (op used the term) and I never denied the profit of the Switch. I don't know how it compares to 3DS and Wii U but I doubtthat it is "much bigger profit" than the 3DS and Wii U. Switch might top 85M, but we don't know that yet. Imo if you want to say that Switch overcame the dark ages for Nintendo it would have to be much more profitable for Nintendo than 3DS and Wii U combined.

My problem? Your post "But Nintendo sold 85M+ consoles with the 3DS and the Wii U combined. What is the reason to say that the Switch ended the "dark ages of Nintendo"? Do you think the Switch will top 85M+?". You post clearly imply that you think that even is "dark age for Nintendo" you doubt that Switch is ending dark age for Nintendo, I gave you clear facts ( Switch is selling great, Nintendo games are selling great on Switch and Nintendo again making huge profit) why Nintendo with Switch isnt in dark age in any case.

You can doubt whatever you want, I talking about clear facts. But thats a point Switch is already making much bigger profit for Nintendo than 3DS and Wii U did combined. Also, curently 80m is like minimum that Switch will hit, even 100m+ is possible at end.

Nintendo sees best profits for nine years

https://www.pcr-online.biz/vendors/nintendo-sees-best-profits-for-nine-years

Great Profit, that's it. Total hardware numbers don't matter, but profits matters. 

Skyward Sword is though, and Xenoblade is gaining popularity with every title, don't count that out. As far as last story, a system seller it may not be but you can't deny the importance of a mystwalker jrpg.

I would also argue that Xenoblade and Splatoon are two of the most important new IPs of basically (we're a year  short of 2 decades since Smash was a new Ip) the last two decades.

I misunderstood your reply then.  I apologize.

Really, you think the Dark Ages started 2011? The Nintendo (console) Dark Ages has been around since 2001 losing most of their third party supporters and fanbase to Sony and Microsoft to the point that they're aren't considered serious competitors anymore in the core gaming scene which is a huge loss considering Nintendo started the serious console wars craze with Sega.

They got a big break in 2006 with the Wii but then Nintendo had no damn clue on how to follow up the Wii's casual market success. They tried to market the WiiU to casuals and core gamers but failed cause they cheaped out immensely on the hardware specs thinking it would be another Wii-hit wonder and with Nintendo's pride so high up their asses made it only worse to get third party support.

This Nintendo "Dark Age" is nothing recent it's as old the NintenDOOM threads and predictions.