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Forums - Sales Discussion - Japan Sales Week 46 Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - November 12-18, 2018

NoCtiS_NoX said:
This thread SMH.
OT:
Am I the only one disappointed with Pokemon Let's Go sales? The hardware is fantastic but Pokemon is underwhelming IMO. It's not bad but not great either.
It's still a Pokemon game. I won't try to sugar coat it even if I am huge Pokemon fan. Japan is where it should do monstrous numbers. Maybe trying to capture the Go players was not really a good idea but for what it's worth. It's just an okay sale. Hopefully it will have legs.

I dont get into the third party talk so ill just snippet that part out... Lol

 

As for pokemon! Well we got numbers for WW and its 3mil which is actually very good when in comparison to xy amd oras WW. Lets go doing much less in Japan means it did very well in the west even alot more than ORAS (same sales WW fw but japan it debuted over 1mil+)

 

For Japan are they good or bad numbers? Overall they are ok. Depending on your interpretation and expectations for the game its either way. When comparing it to any other pokemon game it looks bad on the surface but when you take into account what the game is (a remake of a third version) it's not too shabby.

 

My opinion is its not World breaking news like SMO and Zelda were (or splat2) but from all the hate, the way Gamefreak outstrip the game from many feats/etc its definelty good. Giving the fact price of it (you have to include the sku of the pokeball which os about half the sales) you have probably one of the mpst profitable pokemon games. Even if its the forst HD mainlines (ish) game, the game obviously was more of a budget release when you dive into it.

 

Opinions are all over the place but at the end its fw sales only. The game surprisingly to me at least has great WoM compared to all the pther previous entries. Itll end up selling probably over 1.5mil in japan by years end (at least 1.2mil) and WW shipments will be easily over 8mil (closer to 10mil).  Itll be the most profitable pokemon game in the last 10years in its first month maybe putside of sunmoon) so its a huge WIN overall :)



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Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

They are not definitely great numbers for Pokemon game but they are good enough in any case. Remember, this lowest install base than any Pokemon game was launched on (if I saw correctly 14% of all Switch owners in Japan bought game on launch), has highest price point for any Pokemon game, and definitely has highest digital sales for any Pokemon games (that are not tracked).

Also, insaiders from Japan told that only 2-3 weeks before launch game was completely dead and only than things start heating up, also that game has great word of mouth and that game should continue with very strong sales.

Well MHW on ps4 proved you don't need a huge install base to have a big launch. 

 

However I do agree with the bit in bold. 

surprised since you were one of the biggest supporters of revenue and profits for a game. Lets go made more money in its first week then any other pokemon game ever did WW with maybe the exception of sun/moon.

 

Where is the math you use when talking about that my friend?? :)

Edit: example of NoA sold 1mil fw and ORAS and XY sold 1mil FW this is what we are lookin at...

 

ORAS+XY = $40 x 1mil = $40mil fw

Lets Go = $60 x 600k (single sku) = $36mil

Lets Go Pokeball (with game only) = $100 x 400k = $40mil

 

ORAS+XY made roughly 80mil combine revenue in this ex vs Lets Go doing alone $76mil

 

Just using your old math tools. Comes in handy actually ;P

Last edited by tbone51 - on 22 November 2018

Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

They are not definitely great numbers for Pokemon game but they are good enough in any case. Remember, this lowest install base than any Pokemon game was launched on (if I saw correctly 14% of all Switch owners in Japan bought game on launch), has highest price point for any Pokemon game, and definitely has highest digital sales for any Pokemon games (that are not tracked).

Also, insaiders from Japan told that only 2-3 weeks before launch game was completely dead and only than things start heating up, also that game has great word of mouth and that game should continue with very strong sales.

Well MHW on ps4 proved you don't need a huge install base to have a big launch. 

However I do agree with the bit in bold. 

How that has anything with what I said?



tbone51 said:
Kerotan said:

Well MHW on ps4 proved you don't need a huge install base to have a big launch. 

 

However I do agree with the bit in bold. 

surprised since you were one of the biggest supporters of revenue and profits for a game. Lets go made more money in its first week then any other pokemon game ever did WW with maybe the exception of sun/moon.

 

Where is the math you use when talking about that my friend?? :)

Speaking of math despite being more expensive then the other Pokémons it still didn't go #1. Cost of production was no doubt higher then the 3ds games so it's very debatable whether or not this is the most profitable.

 

I do however think it's a success just incase you get the impression I don't. 



Kerotan said:
tbone51 said:

surprised since you were one of the biggest supporters of revenue and profits for a game. Lets go made more money in its first week then any other pokemon game ever did WW with maybe the exception of sun/moon.

 

Where is the math you use when talking about that my friend?? :)

Speaking of math despite being more expensive then the other Pokémons it still didn't go #1. Cost of production was no doubt higher then the 3ds games so it's very debatable whether or not this is the most profitable.

 

I do however think it's a success just incase you get the impression I don't. 

How in the hell does Lets Go cost more than the other games. I have to stop you right there. HD game doesn't automatically mean its more expensive than a non one.

 

It's not debatable. Lets Go is more profitable. Do you even know what Lets Go is? Even developers made this game from the back of sun/moon. The same ex you use when saying "same assets" for mamy PS games



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NoCtiS_NoX said:
This thread SMH.
OT:
Am I the only one disappointed with Pokemon Let's Go sales? The hardware is fantastic but Pokemon is underwhelming IMO. It's not bad but not great either.
It's still a Pokemon game. I won't try to sugar coat it even if I am huge Pokemon fan. Japan is where it should do monstrous numbers. Maybe trying to capture the Go players was not really a good idea but for what it's worth. It's just an okay sale. Hopefully it will have legs.

As for third party doing exclusive to Nintendo in the future? With the rise of SEA in terms of console gaming when super robot wars having an english language ready for an Asian release and with PS very dominant on this region. I don't think so.
3rd party won't ignore PS platform. When 3rd parties didn't ignore Xbox why the heck they will even ignore PS? Some crazy logic in here. Sorry.
Maybe some obscure titles that's being censored by Sony but aside from that I cannot see any.

As for PS, Such shame for Sony. Luckily they are doing great globally.

One of the few yes. It's a spinoff game on a smaller installbase. It will have great legs though.

As for the other highlighted.. Xbox has bad JP support, but theres a whole other reason for that. Also, Asia is Asia. I am talking about the JP market only, and the future as this goes on. Fewer and far inbetween as it goes on, cause I think costs and dev time keep rising and the audience won't be there as much as before.



tbone51 said:
Kerotan said:

Speaking of math despite being more expensive then the other Pokémons it still didn't go #1. Cost of production was no doubt higher then the 3ds games so it's very debatable whether or not this is the most profitable.

 

I do however think it's a success just incase you get the impression I don't. 

How in the hell does Lets Go cost more than the other games. I have to stop you right there. HD game doesn't automatically mean its more expensive than a non one.

 

It's not debatable. Lets Go is more profitable. Do you even know what Lets Go is? Even developers made this game from the back of sun/moon. The same ex you use when saying "same assets" for mamy PS games

IMO developing it for switch cost more then the 3ds games. I could be wrong but that's what I believe. It's also not the most profitable Pokémon ever at launch despite charging a lot more. So it's not like it broke the record for revenue or profitability. 



Guys this might sound crazy but does anyone want to bet on whether we will ever have a 95%+ switch marketshare week?



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Kerotan said:
tbone51 said:

How in the hell does Lets Go cost more than the other games. I have to stop you right there. HD game doesn't automatically mean its more expensive than a non one.

 

It's not debatable. Lets Go is more profitable. Do you even know what Lets Go is? Even developers made this game from the back of sun/moon. The same ex you use when saying "same assets" for mamy PS games

IMO developing it for switch cost more then the 3ds games. I could be wrong but that's what I believe. It's also not the most profitable Pokémon ever at launch despite charging a lot more. So it's not like it broke the record for revenue or profitability. 

In your opinion that doesnt know this is a gen 1 remake a small game in comparisto to every other game that only has 153 pokemon (under 20% of the total) and took out a ton of mechanics as well as gameplay modes/feat.

 

Only Sun/Moon might be more profitable at launch amd made more revenue and that depends on how much lets go shipped fw (most likely sunmoon is higher since it did 10mil ship+digital)

 

That said the game was made fairly quick and had many assets from previous game. Even if made in HD the game cost wouldnt be any close to a brand new gen. 

 

Edit; maybe agree to disagree here. Hopefully nintendo can tell.us later on how much more profitable the games are. We will get NPD report on showing just how much more money the games made compared to many others anyways



Kerotan said:
tbone51 said:

surprised since you were one of the biggest supporters of revenue and profits for a game. Lets go made more money in its first week then any other pokemon game ever did WW with maybe the exception of sun/moon.

 

Where is the math you use when talking about that my friend?? :)

Speaking of math despite being more expensive then the other Pokémons it still didn't go #1. Cost of production was no doubt higher then the 3ds games so it's very debatable whether or not this is the most profitable.

I do however think it's a success just incase you get the impression I don't. 

Just stop,everything you wrote is this thread is wrong or dont make sense. Despite its first HD Pokemon game, this is not big project like previous main Pokemon games, has less content and reused assets and ideas from Pokemon Go, they probably done this game in a year. Also, huge number of people bought Poke Ball Plus that costs around $50, informations for Japan saying that almost half of Pokemon buyers bought bundle with Pokeball Plus for $100. So yeah, this will most like be easily most profitable Pokemon (definatly more profitable than 3DS Pokemon games).