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thismeintiel said:
FentonCrackshell said:

I’ll never understand a stance like this. I’m here in Florida and elections are always a flustercuck. But when I hear people trying to call out the other side it makes me laugh. Saw a liberal call out Martha McSally in AZ for not conceding a close race to her Democratic opponent. Then in turn laud Gillum and Abrams for not conceding their close races. Then heard Trump saw how Democrats in Florida are trying to steal the election that was in the margin for a recount but in the next breath mention that the aforementioned AZ election needs to be recounted because of how close it was.

See, what I’m saying is eveyone is full of sh!t! But also to enlighten on the Florida numbers. There were circumstances that caused thousands of votes to go uncounted so the candidates were trying to get all the votes counted before concession. Makes sense to me. After Gillum realized things were going nowhere he conceded. Even now the FL Senate votes are being counted because my state requires all Supervisors Of Elections to be at least 300 years old and the voting machines and counters to be twice that.

On Wednesday there was a deadline of 3:00 PM for all votes to be counted and one local polling place showed up 2 hours late to start the count. Another polling place hemmed and hawed about votes being thrown out because they were turned in at 3:02 instead of by the 3:00 deadline. Why? You were supposed to have your counts by November 6th. You have already been given enough time! But that’s why the Democrats here were crying. Because the people who ran the show screwed it up. This really puts a damper on things for 1st time voters here. All that time in line and their vote was probably thrown out.

There's a big difference between hypocrisy, your first example, and being able to acknowledge all the fishy crap going on.  In Arizona, there was a deadline for "fixing" ballots that were incorrectly filled out or the signature didn't match.  They continued to fix them well past the deadline.  Reps filed a lawsuit to stop it.  Unfortunately, Reps came up with an agreement to allow all counties to continue fixing the ballots for another week, foolishly thinking it would help McSally, something I kept hearing from different sources.  It didn't.  But, that's on them.  No point in focusing on it too much. 

In Georgia, you had a big sore loser in Abrams.  She wouldn't except that she lost, so kept desperately looking for votes from anywhere in a vain attempt to get Kemp under 50%.  Even going so far as to take a lawsuit to a favorable judge to get ballots that were deemed invalid to be counted.  And even when that wasn't enough, she still wouldn't concede, instead blaming incompetence for her loss, which I have not heard any credible claims of.  So, Georgia is just saying they are moving on and Kemp won, with or without her concession.

And the OP pretty clearly lays out the shady dealings in Florida.

As I explained to you before, in Arizona, fixing the ballot is decided by the individual counties not the the state. There is no universal election day cut off for it. 2 Democrat leaning counties have laws that allowed them to verify signatures up to 5 days after polls close. Its unfortunate that other counties did not have the same rules, but that there fault. Republicans filed a lawsuit out of desperation. They settled the case because they were gonna lose in court. Democrats were nice enough to let all those republican counties to fix those votes, even though they didn't have to. Again, like I told you before, it was reported that we are only talking about a few thousand votes.... Mcsally lost by like 35k..... Literally made no difference. It would be nice if you'd stop spreading false narrative on this.

Abram conceded yesterday, again stops spreading fake news



     

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cycycychris said:
thismeintiel said:

There's a big difference between hypocrisy, your first example, and being able to acknowledge all the fishy crap going on.  In Arizona, there was a deadline for "fixing" ballots that were incorrectly filled out or the signature didn't match.  They continued to fix them well past the deadline.  Reps filed a lawsuit to stop it.  Unfortunately, Reps came up with an agreement to allow all counties to continue fixing the ballots for another week, foolishly thinking it would help McSally, something I kept hearing from different sources.  It didn't.  But, that's on them.  No point in focusing on it too much. 

In Georgia, you had a big sore loser in Abrams.  She wouldn't except that she lost, so kept desperately looking for votes from anywhere in a vain attempt to get Kemp under 50%.  Even going so far as to take a lawsuit to a favorable judge to get ballots that were deemed invalid to be counted.  And even when that wasn't enough, she still wouldn't concede, instead blaming incompetence for her loss, which I have not heard any credible claims of.  So, Georgia is just saying they are moving on and Kemp won, with or without her concession.

And the OP pretty clearly lays out the shady dealings in Florida.

As I explained to you before, in Arizona, fixing the ballot is decided by the individual counties not the the state. There is no universal election day cut off for it. 2 Democrat leaning counties have laws that allowed them to verify signatures up to 5 days after polls close. Its unfortunate that other counties did not have the same rules, but that there fault. Republicans filed a lawsuit out of desperation. They settled the case because they were gonna lose in court. Democrats were nice enough to let all those republican counties to fix those votes, even though they didn't have to. Again, like I told you before, it was reported that we are only talking about a few thousand votes.... Mcsally lost by like 35k..... Literally made no difference. It would be nice if you'd stop spreading false narrative on this.

Abram conceded yesterday, again stops spreading fake news

Lol, you call that a concession?  Sure, she admitted she can't win, but not because she simply lost the election.  Nope, it was all about voter fraud and suppression.  Sorry, but no, that is not an actual concession.  She even said, and I quote, "this is not a speech of concession." And she intends to file another lawsuit. So, how about you stop with the fake news?



For what it's worth, I think if there was any shadiness going on in Florida, Rubio shined a light on it in time (well except the Agriculture Commissioner race).

Since Broward finished counting the original results several days late last week, accounting for almost all the tightening that happened, the races pretty much have been decided even if the screaming has continued. Anything else you can put down to simple incompetence.



thismeintiel said:
cycycychris said:

As I explained to you before, in Arizona, fixing the ballot is decided by the individual counties not the the state. There is no universal election day cut off for it. 2 Democrat leaning counties have laws that allowed them to verify signatures up to 5 days after polls close. Its unfortunate that other counties did not have the same rules, but that there fault. Republicans filed a lawsuit out of desperation. They settled the case because they were gonna lose in court. Democrats were nice enough to let all those republican counties to fix those votes, even though they didn't have to. Again, like I told you before, it was reported that we are only talking about a few thousand votes.... Mcsally lost by like 35k..... Literally made no difference. It would be nice if you'd stop spreading false narrative on this.

Abram conceded yesterday, again stops spreading fake news

Lol, you call that a concession?  Sure, she admitted she can't win, but not because she simply lost the election.  Nope, it was all about voter fraud and suppression.  Sorry, but no, that is not an actual concession.  She even said, and I quote, "this is not a speech of concession." And she intends to file another lawsuit. So, how about you stop with the fake news?

She ended her bid for governor, thats conceding. She might frame it as another way, but ending your bid is conceding the race. The lawsuit she said she said she is filing is challenging the states voter suppression laws so they don't affect future election (has no affect on this one). Again, stop spreading a false narrative.

Direct words from Kemp  "Moments ago, Stacey Abrams conceded the race and officially ended her campaign for governor. I appreciate her passion, hard work, and commitment to public service."



     

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cycycychris said:
thismeintiel said:

Lol, you call that a concession?  Sure, she admitted she can't win, but not because she simply lost the election.  Nope, it was all about voter fraud and suppression.  Sorry, but no, that is not an actual concession.  She even said, and I quote, "this is not a speech of concession." And she intends to file another lawsuit. So, how about you stop with the fake news?

She ended her bid for governor, thats conceding. She might frame it as another way, but ending your bid is conceding the race. The lawsuit she said she said she is filing is challenging the states voter suppression laws so they don't affect future election (has no affect on this one). Again, stop spreading a false narrative.

Direct words from Kemp  "Moments ago, Stacey Abrams conceded the race and officially ended her campaign for governor. I appreciate her passion, hard work, and commitment to public service."

Uh no, her words and actions trump Kemp's on this matter.  She did not gracefully bow out, which is what a concession speech is for.  Instead, because she couldn't handle losing, she left a stink in the air and will be pursuing legal action.  You are the one pushing the false narrative and that is where this convo on the matter will end.



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cycycychris said:
thismeintiel said:

Lol, you call that a concession?  Sure, she admitted she can't win, but not because she simply lost the election.  Nope, it was all about voter fraud and suppression.  Sorry, but no, that is not an actual concession.  She even said, and I quote, "this is not a speech of concession." And she intends to file another lawsuit. So, how about you stop with the fake news?

She ended her bid for governor, thats conceding. She might frame it as another way, but ending your bid is conceding the race. The lawsuit she said she said she is filing is challenging the states voter suppression laws so they don't affect future election (has no affect on this one). Again, stop spreading a false narrative.

Direct words from Kemp  "Moments ago, Stacey Abrams conceded the race and officially ended her campaign for governor. I appreciate her passion, hard work, and commitment to public service."

Cries of voter suppression have two purposes:

1.  To keep open vote fraud (yes it exists, humans cheat and voting is not exempt from basic human nature).

2.  To keep her voters, particularly black voters, in a state of victimhood in order to keep their voting patterns tribal.  If you wish to see why this is bad, well it's a Democrat strategy that Trump co-opted for use on white voters.



thismeintiel said:
cycycychris said:

She ended her bid for governor, thats conceding. She might frame it as another way, but ending your bid is conceding the race. The lawsuit she said she said she is filing is challenging the states voter suppression laws so they don't affect future election (has no affect on this one). Again, stop spreading a false narrative.

Direct words from Kemp  "Moments ago, Stacey Abrams conceded the race and officially ended her campaign for governor. I appreciate her passion, hard work, and commitment to public service."

Uh no, her words and actions trump Kemp's on this matter.  She did not gracefully bow out, which is what a concession speech is for.  Instead, because she couldn't handle losing, she left a stink in the air and will be pursuing legal action.  You are the one pushing the false narrative and that is where this convo on the matter will end.

Seems we both agree that ending your bid for governorship is conceding to your opponent. You just don't like her speech. And again, the lawsuit is about Georgia voter suppression laws and are not going to affect this election.



     

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thismeintiel said:

Uh no, her words and actions trump Kemp's on this matter.  She did not gracefully bow out, which is what a concession speech is for.  Instead, because she couldn't handle losing, she left a stink in the air and will be pursuing legal action.  You are the one pushing the false narrative and that is where this convo on the matter will end.

I don't know anything about this so I decided to look it up and see for myself.

“I acknowledge that former Secretary of State Brian Kemp will be certified as the victor in the 2018 gubernatorial election,” she said

That's a concession.  Doesn't matter how she's spinning it. Everyone is taking it as a concession and everyone is reporting it as a concession.  



NightlyPoe said:
cycycychris said:

She ended her bid for governor, thats conceding. She might frame it as another way, but ending your bid is conceding the race. The lawsuit she said she said she is filing is challenging the states voter suppression laws so they don't affect future election (has no affect on this one). Again, stop spreading a false narrative.

Direct words from Kemp  "Moments ago, Stacey Abrams conceded the race and officially ended her campaign for governor. I appreciate her passion, hard work, and commitment to public service."

Cries of voter suppression have two purposes:

1.  To keep open vote fraud (yes it exists, humans cheat and voting is not exempt from basic human nature).

2.  To keep her voters, particularly black voters, in a state of victimhood in order to keep their voting patterns tribal.  If you wish to see why this is bad, well it's a Democrat strategy that Trump co-opted for use on white voters.

I hope you are not arguing that voter suppression laws are not a thing currently. Georgia's exact match law disproportionately affected black votes, 90% cases were black votes. Or if you look at North Dokata, it requires all voters to have an ID that has a street address. This made it so natives could not longer vote, they have PO boxes. Natives vote overwhelmingly for democrats. All these were to try and cull out the oppositions votes.



     

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NightlyPoe said:
cycycychris said:

She ended her bid for governor, thats conceding. She might frame it as another way, but ending your bid is conceding the race. The lawsuit she said she said she is filing is challenging the states voter suppression laws so they don't affect future election (has no affect on this one). Again, stop spreading a false narrative.

Direct words from Kemp  "Moments ago, Stacey Abrams conceded the race and officially ended her campaign for governor. I appreciate her passion, hard work, and commitment to public service."

Cries of voter suppression have two purposes:

1.  To keep open vote fraud (yes it exists, humans cheat and voting is not exempt from basic human nature).

2.  To keep her voters, particularly black voters, in a state of victimhood in order to keep their voting patterns tribal.  If you wish to see why this is bad, well it's a Democrat strategy that Trump co-opted for use on white voters.

It also serves the purpose of preventing/mitigating voter suppression.
Georgia voting machines in one area where hundreds of people lined up to vote were missing power cords. Another area had only two voting machines for hundreds of people, making them stand in line for hours and hours without getting to vote, etc.

And I'm not sure what type of voter fraud you are suggesting, but voter suppression tends to only impact in person voting. And impersonation voting fraud is next to non existant, and inconsequential. Between 2000 and 2014, there were only 31 instances of potential voter fraud found out of over a billion votes.



And most of those cases turned out to be things like a vote being cast shortly before someone passed away, leaving something like 4 cases of potential  voter impersonation, iirc.

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