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https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/dead-by-daylight

That’s my most played game of all time, sitting at a beautiful 58 metascore. I can’t fathom what would lead reviewers to give what launched as a perfectly playable and greatly priced for the content game a 58, but I assume it just reviewers reviewing the game who aren’t particular fans of that kind of game.

I see the same happening here, salty reviewers upset that it isn’t Fallout 5.



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DonFerrari said:
pokoko said:

Honestly, I don't give a rat's ass what Youtube entertainers and reviewers consider "bad games".  It's my opinion that I care about and it's nice to see other people take their heads out of Metacritic's ass and take the same approach.  Fallout 76 isn't a game that I would buy right now, or maybe ever, but it does have my interest provided I like what I'm reading with regards to future updates and content.  I sure as hell am not going to let a review score or people on forums who haven't even played the game decide if it's a "bad game" or not for me.

It is more that some people have their heads sticked in Bethesda's ass than anything else as they usually get a lot of leeway on very buggy games.

Yeah, no.  It's more that people are enjoying themselves by playing what they want without letting people like you make their decisions for them.  If they're having more fun playing a buggy game than a polished game then that is their business.  You don't like it?  Too bad.  It's better than someone who has their head shoved up Metacritic's ass.



LudicrousSpeed said:
https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/dead-by-daylight

That’s my most played game of all time, sitting at a beautiful 58 metascore. I can’t fathom what would lead reviewers to give what launched as a perfectly playable and greatly priced for the content game a 58, but I assume it just reviewers reviewing the game who aren’t particular fans of that kind of game.

I see the same happening here, salty reviewers upset that it isn’t Fallout 5.

I don't have much of a problem with low review scores, to be honest.  I can't fault reviewers who run into frustrations or bugs during their limited play-time.  What I find fault with are the people who let haven't played the game, who probably weren't going to play the game to begin with, acting like review scores are all that matter.  People have had and will have tons of fun playing games with low Metascores.



shikamaru317 said:
DonFerrari said:

Every game should be judged in similar standards so the grade can at least indicate something. Because what is the point in a bad game having a 90 because it was evaluated on the "Not-good game standard"?

This for me is one of the reasons we see some games getting a very harsh reviews and being nitpicked while others breeze even though they are bad.

In an ideal world, sure, but that clearly isn't the case. It's why we see indie games getting high 80's and low 90's metascores frequently, if they were being judged by AAA standards they wouldn't review anywhere near that high. Fallout 76 is a AA game if you really break down it's components and think about it, but it was judged as a AAA, judged as if it were a Bethesda Game Studios Maryland game. Admittedly though, Bethesda themselves are partly to blame for that, they marketed this game as if though it was the next mainline Fallout game. If they had been smart, marketed it as Fallout Online instead of as Fallout 76, made it clear that the Maryland studio didn't develop it but rather the new Austin studio, and released it at a AA $40 price instead of a AAA $60 price, the game would be reviewing much higher for sure. Hopefully they learned their lesson, they tried to market it as a AAA mainline in order to boost it's sales, and it bit them in the butt by killing the reviews. The poor reception on release is partially deserved, I just hope people don't let it color their opinion of the game in the future, there is a solid foundation here for a really good Fallout game after a year or 2 of updates and changes. I hope most Fallout fans will give it a chance in a few years, assuming it stays online that long, because this is the only Fallout they're getting until the middle of next-gen at the soonest, Starfield and TES 6 are coming before Fallout 5, I would put my money on Fallout 5 coming in 2024 or later. 

Sorry but that is the issue in itself. Then we see people comparing games per score and saying one is better than other. Also neither metacritic nor reviewers say "this is a 8 because it was a free game or 5 USD made by 1 person, if I were to evaluate by regular standard it would get a 2", so when they pretend to use a same standard then they should use it.

Another problem of the most current gens is that reviews and grades aren't made into categories anymore like graphics, performance, music, art, story, gameplay, etc and as many different points you want to give and then have the score. For me it seems much more like "how much did I like this game" type of score and one that is much more biased and affected by preferences.

Also the opening for trolls... like cases where someone would go and give a 4 or 6 to Horizon Zero Dawn and a 9 or 10 to a Barbie game... can we say that was done with any standard at all even if one for AAA and other for Indie? Because when looking for the average of those games the person gave to little to HZD and to much to Barbie.

MajorMalfunction said:
DonFerrari said:
From what I hear seems like deserved

Came to say pretty much this. Bugthesda strikes again. It may or may not be the engine itself, but Gamebryo / Creation seems to be a shaky foundation for big Bethesda games. Whatever went wrong with FO3 / NV / Oblivion / Skyrim happened again. Bethesda fucked up with FO76. The code is buggy. They should assert(3) more.

Well as far as I know Bethesda do it since the dawn of times so it is more like their philosophy than the engine, they just care more about other things than bug testing.

LudicrousSpeed said:
https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/dead-by-daylight

That’s my most played game of all time, sitting at a beautiful 58 metascore. I can’t fathom what would lead reviewers to give what launched as a perfectly playable and greatly priced for the content game a 58, but I assume it just reviewers reviewing the game who aren’t particular fans of that kind of game.

I see the same happening here, salty reviewers upset that it isn’t Fallout 5.

Haven't played much, but to me it seems like it was more of a 7 game than 58. Still sometimes we like games that reviewers hate and vice-versa and that is no problem as long as review was well done (I find most to not be).

pokoko said:
DonFerrari said:

It is more that some people have their heads sticked in Bethesda's ass than anything else as they usually get a lot of leeway on very buggy games.

Yeah, no.  It's more that people are enjoying themselves by playing what they want without letting people like you make their decisions for them.  If they're having more fun playing a buggy game than a polished game then that is their business.  You don't like it?  Too bad.  It's better than someone who has their head shoved up Metacritic's ass.

Bethesda for ages have sold a lot of copies and got high reviews for games that perform terribly, so nope it isn't me deciding what they should buy (they may like whatever they want)

And seeing 4.9 Meta, 2.9 users on PS4... X1 50 meta 2.4 users... PC 60 Meta 2.9 users seems like players are even more strict than the critics on this one and the ones sticked on Bethesda are defending more.



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pokoko said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/dead-by-daylight

That’s my most played game of all time, sitting at a beautiful 58 metascore. I can’t fathom what would lead reviewers to give what launched as a perfectly playable and greatly priced for the content game a 58, but I assume it just reviewers reviewing the game who aren’t particular fans of that kind of game.

I see the same happening here, salty reviewers upset that it isn’t Fallout 5.

I don't have much of a problem with low review scores, to be honest.  I can't fault reviewers who run into frustrations or bugs during their limited play-time.  What I find fault with are the people who let haven't played the game, who probably weren't going to play the game to begin with, acting like review scores are all that matter.  People have had and will have tons of fun playing games with low Metascores.

I can relate to this.... jrpgs dont always review the best on metacritic, but I rather enjoy alot of them.
While alot of AAA games, I have zero intrest in and know I probably wouldnt enjoy, score high.

But as a general rule, Metacritic is still a decent messureing stick.
Also I feel like big AAA companies get alot of "leeway" that a jrpg wouldnt get..... so its not like Metacritic's are out to get Bethesda.

Also if you want to "listen" to the common people that have played the game instead, theres tons of youtube gamer type reviewers, that are just normal people that put up videos too. Most of those dont seem that much differnt from the proffessional reviewers opinions though.



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shikamaru317 said:
Errorist76 said:

Surely not if you can't return/sell it afterwards. At least not until it's fixed and available for 20-30 or so, the price it should have released at to begin with.

If Fallout 76 was actually broken I'd agree with this, but it's not (I have only encountered 1 bug, an enemy stuck on a wall, in 12 hours or so personally). I honestly feel like it is being judged by the wrong standards. It seems like critics are judging it by the same standards as previous games by Bethesda Game Studios Maryland, a studio that consistently delivers 90+ quality games. But there is a big problem with that, Bethesda Game Studios Maryland didn't develop this game, it was developed by Bethesda Game Studios Austin, a studio that has never shipped a game before (their first game, Battlecry, got cancelled). Fallout 76 should be judged by the same standards that Elder Scrolls Online was judged by, as they were both developed by new, untested studios. But it doesn't seem like it is being judged by the same standards that Elder Scrolls Online got judged by, Elder Scrolls Online got a 71 meta on release (is now up to 80 after 3 years of updates), while Fallout 76 is sitting at a 49 meta, that is a huge difference. And having played both ESO and F76 on release, I can honestly say that Fallout 76 is better than ESO was on release. F76 actually plays like a Fallout game, with the main exceptions being the perk card mechanic and lack of NPC's, everything else feels like Fallout. ESO on the other hand at release felt like they just tried to make a traditional MMO WoW clone with Elder Scrolls themeing, it had terribly slow, action bar MMO combat that felt nothing like combat in mainline Elder Scrolls (thankfully it was improved on later updates). 

That being said, there is no harm in waiting to play it either. If it is anything like Elder Scrolls Online, it will only get better over time. Assuming it doesn't flop so bad that Bethesda closes the servers in a few months, I suspect they will update it, patch most of these bugs that others say they've encountered, add in voiced NPC's and proper questlines, etc. In 6 months most of the bugs should be ironed out and you should be able to find a copy for $20. 

Give it up man, these people are not going to be convinced.  I'm just going to enjoy the game for what it is and potentially what it will be with future patches and maybe expansions.



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Mummelmann said:
Faelco said:
I'm amazed that people still admire Bethesda, when they proved again and again that they can't do a fully functional game. They should invest in some QA division...

It's crazy that their most admired games have to be finished by players themselves thanks to mods...

The importance of mods for Bethesda games cannot be overstated, it adds so much to the experiences. It's equal parts funny and sad that community workaround and solutions have solved nearly all major issues in the last 3-4 major Bethesda titles. It's time they stepped back and took a long, hard look and started doing things a bit differently, and build a new engine for gods sake, it's laughable that they're planning on using the same engine for another 3-4 years at the very least.

I don't understand it. They have id Tech inhouse, why don't theya use that?



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Mnementh said:
Mummelmann said:

The importance of mods for Bethesda games cannot be overstated, it adds so much to the experiences. It's equal parts funny and sad that community workaround and solutions have solved nearly all major issues in the last 3-4 major Bethesda titles. It's time they stepped back and took a long, hard look and started doing things a bit differently, and build a new engine for gods sake, it's laughable that they're planning on using the same engine for another 3-4 years at the very least.

I don't understand it. They have id Tech inhouse, why don't theya use that?

I think their (ID) engines are optimized for compact environments with little interaction and would require massive modifications to work in an open world setting. But they may as well make more use of the expertise of one of the oldest, still relevant developers in the industry today. ID are credited with a slew of technical breakthroughs and firsts, after all.



Mummelmann said:
Mnementh said:

I don't understand it. They have id Tech inhouse, why don't theya use that?

I think their (ID) engines are optimized for compact environments with little interaction and would require massive modifications to work in an open world setting. But they may as well make more use of the expertise of one of the oldest, still relevant developers in the industry today. ID are credited with a slew of technical breakthroughs and firsts, after all.

Ah, you might be right that id Tech is too limited in usage. But yes, id has a good reputation, and I think they would really like the task to expand the id tech engine for open world usage.



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JRPGfan said:
pokoko said:
Reading up on Fallout 76 threads, a lot of people seem to be having a blast actually playing the game. Good for them. It's nice to see people forming their own opinions. People are doing their own thing, finding fun in things reviewers and Youtube entertainers would never consider. It's kind of nifty to see them being ignored.

Common thats the "its more fun with friends" argument, we also saw with sea of theives.
Also people can enjoy bad games, and have fun in bad games. Their still  bad games though.

Anyways lets see what player base is like a month or two down the road.

A group of German streamers actually said, it’s more fun to joke about the game with your friends.

 

Btw:

Did you read the Giantbomb statement? They’ve stated that they probably won’t release a review, because no one from the team can be bothered to play this mess for another 20-30 hours, when there are much better games to play atm.