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Zoombael on 16 November 2018
Miyamotoo said:
Errorist76 said:

What makes you think that? All those games will be out 2020 latest. Death Stranding is finished already and their only polishing now. I absolutely don't believe they'll release them after PS5 has released already, no chance in hell imho. They sure will want us to double dip. 

All points those game want be released before PS5 launch, even Sony don't mention them any more. If they releasing them on PS4 before PS5 launch, than they could easily have onother E3 2019. focused on PS4, while they skipping hole E3 and that clearly saying they dont want to talk about those games from some reason yet (and obviously its PS5).

“Now that we have ‘Spiderman’ out the door, we’re looking down in 2019 to games like ‘Dreams’ and ‘Days Gone’ but we wouldn’t have enough to bring people altogether in some location in North America to have that event,” Layden said.”We don’t want to set expectations really high and then not deliver on it.” - Shawn Layden via the article.

They skip E3. Not the whole year 2019. Maybe it's the american viewpoint that deems E3 the central point and everything circling it insignificant.

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Intrinsic on 16 November 2018
Errorist76 said:
Miyamotoo said:

All points those game want be released before PS5 launch, even Sony don't mention them any more. If they releasing them on PS4 before PS5 launch, than they could easily have onother E3 2019. focused on PS4, while they skipping hole E3 and that clearly saying they dont want to talk about those games from some reason yet (and obviously its PS5).

“Now that we have ‘Spiderman’ out the door, we’re looking down in 2019 to games like ‘Dreams’ and ‘Days Gone’ but we wouldn’t have enough to bring people altogether in some location in North America to have that event,” Layden said.”We don’t want to set expectations really high and then not deliver on it.” - Shawn Layden via the article.

Wishful thinking from your side? If the PS5 releases holidays 2020, which is the most likely scenario, Death Stranding possibly releasing end of 2019 and a whole year left for the “big hooray send-off” of PS4, with Ghost of Tsushima, The Last Of Us p2 and eventually even Horizon 2 releasing in 2020...what sound unrealistic about that? You honestly think they’ll all release in 2021? 

I actually agree with him.

Firstly I believe the PS5 will be lunchedin 2020. Anywhere between march and november.

Now while I am not saying games like TLOU2, Death stranding and Ghosts aren,ut coming to the PS4 I believe they will all be cross gen games and will come only after the PS5 has bee lunched. This makes me lean towards the mrch 2020 launch window and we will have games like TLOU2 be a launch title for the PS5/PS4 and then by fall 2020 death stranding and Ghosts will make their debut. This alomgside all the third party offerrings wil mae the PS5 come off the gates with great games under its belt. 

This strategy also plays enables sony blur the lines between PS4 and PS5 allowing them sell the PS5 mostly only to fans in the first year. Only by the second or third year will we start seeing a shift to fully exclusive PS5 titles. This is great for sony and publishers because the PS4 wll stilll remain a viable platform even years after the PS5 has been released. 



EricHiggin on 16 November 2018
Intrinsic said:

EricHiggin said: 

They don't have anything to prove in terms of PS4 anymore, but pushing in the clutch is one thing, never shifting into another gear, even one or two lower, for miles, is another. I think they'll drop PS4 to $249 early 2019, maybe bundled, and then officially announce $199 just before, or sometime during the PS5 reveal.

As long as they reveal before the year is over. Even though Feb 2020 would only be a couple months away, if they waited to reveal until then, assuming a holiday launch, I think an entire year gap in between 2018 and 2019 without a flood of heavy hitting games would lead to a breakdown in brand loyalty and hype for some. It also leaves the door wide open for MS and Nin, and they would be fools not to try and take major advantage of it in whatever way they can. With an early 2020 launch, PS needs to make sure they announce the price with enough notice before xmas, so interested gamers can then leave the tree a little bare and march right into PS5 at launch.

I disagree.

First off, sny and nintendo are not or ever really going to be in direct competition. The only person sony has to worry about is MS.

Now with MS..... what is going to happen in the next 12 months? They anounce a slew of new games for the XB1 and steal sony customers? I don't think so.

This gen is won and dusted. And thats not saying sony wuldn't still talk about any new upcoming game or release nothing for the next 12 months. We at least know dreams and days gone are coming in 2019. They literally dont have to lift a finger till they are ready to announce the PS5. And they wont have to worry about MS, cause they cant do aything either. The only card MS has left to play is the very same one sony is going to be playing now. And thats talking up next gen.

If anything what this means, especially if sony is fixing to announce the PS5 at PSX next year, is that MS will take sonys E3 absence and use that as chance to announce XB2 before sony announces the PS5. And being that they are still both going to end up launching within 2 weeks of eachother gamers will still wait for the PS5 announcement.

You seem to think sony keeping quiet will hurt them. I think them keeping quiet but announcing early of an event at the end of the year will just build hype. 

Even if Nin isn't directly competing with PS, allowing that available spotlight to go to waste.... would be a waste.

If MS is ready to launch late 2019, or knows PS is more likely going to be ready sooner, then announcing/revealing Scarlet seems given.

Days Gone, Dreams, and Death Stranding between spring and fall would be my guess.

I think in today's instant communication and gratification climate, gamers are going to go crazy unless PS drops a tonne of games or leaks a tonne of PS5 info all year long. Even worse the sooner MS announces Scarlet. If MS was ready for a late 2019 launch, and announced earlier in 2019, PS would probably face a similar social media storm like they did with Fortnite every day after that. Where's the PS5? Why haven't we heard more about PS5? When should we expect the PS5? Why haven't you launched the PS5? Did we mention the PS5?

This tends to lead to rumors, like Fortnite did, and those tend to go against your interests. That's why PS will most likely need a barrage of leaks and/or games to keep people busy, otherwise gamers might think PS is weak and lose faith.

DélioPT said:
The reveal in December 2019 and launch in March 2020m sounds reasonable.
Not a whole different from what Nintendo did.

The thing is, Nintendo could afford doing the reveal in October.
Wii U was pretty much dead, so, Christmas wasn't ruined for Nintendo.
But Sony has a hot product on their hands and revealing a console days or months before Christmas 2019 will really hurt them.

It's obvious that Sony will advertise the reveal as if there's no tomorrow and that will create a lot of buzz.
Should Sony really do the reveal (December 2019) so close to launch (March 2020)?
Intrinsic said:
DélioPT said:

Between your first and second paragraph there's a gap… of the size of a year.
You are really ok with Sony being radio silent when others are active?

I get that Sony dominated this gen, but MS showed that they can rival Sony.

Don't take Sony winning next gen for granted. With a new gen anything can happen - and MS won't be stupid to commit the same mistakes.

A year of radio silence isn't a big deal if played right. Firstly sony is still releasing at least 2 games next year. So its not like they aren't doing anything at all.

I think something is clear here. They cannot come and talk about anything new outside what we already know because everything new is on PS5.

And with the right stealth marketing.... a leak here and there, declerations of a great PSX 2019. Sony will firmly still have mind share leading up to PSX 2019 and then all they have to do is announce the PS5 and talk it up a bit and show a couple of trailers. And thats all anyone will be talking about right along side whatever MS shows because I believe at e3 219 MS will show the XB2.

Unfortunately for MS, they require sony to make some realy big stupid mistakes for them to have another 360 effect. That remains to be seen. 

If the PS5 is $500, then it doesn't matter when they announce. That's expensive enough that they won't have to worry that much about people changing their minds about buying a PS4. Most people who will be buying a PS4 holiday 2019, will be people who literally couldn't afford anything higher than a $199 price point, maybe even with a game or two bundled.

The one main way I see PS having any kind of a problem, is if MS launches Scarlet late 2019 for $400, with the PS5 being $500. That seems pretty unlikely though because I think for $500 PS is going to make sure you get your monies worth without question, and unless Scarlet is heavily subsidized, a $400 XB in 2019 won't be enough of a jump for the XB crowd. With XB1X still being relevant at that time, and being at least $100 cheaper, many will upgrade to XB1X instead, and some will stay on XB1X. This doesn't really hurt PS in terms of next gen, as long as Scarlet isn't gaining ground.



Errorist76 on 16 November 2018
Intrinsic said:
Errorist76 said:

Wishful thinking from your side? If the PS5 releases holidays 2020, which is the most likely scenario, Death Stranding possibly releasing end of 2019 and a whole year left for the “big hooray send-off” of PS4, with Ghost of Tsushima, The Last Of Us p2 and eventually even Horizon 2 releasing in 2020...what sound unrealistic about that? You honestly think they’ll all release in 2021? 

I actually agree with him.

Firstly I believe the PS5 will be lunchedin 2020. Anywhere between march and november.

Now while I am not saying games like TLOU2, Death stranding and Ghosts aren,ut coming to the PS4 I believe they will all be cross gen games and will come only after the PS5 has bee lunched. This makes me lean towards the mrch 2020 launch window and we will have games like TLOU2 be a launch title for the PS5/PS4 and then by fall 2020 death stranding and Ghosts will make their debut. This alomgside all the third party offerrings wil mae the PS5 come off the gates with great games under its belt. 

This strategy also plays enables sony blur the lines between PS4 and PS5 allowing them sell the PS5 mostly only to fans in the first year. Only by the second or third year will we start seeing a shift to fully exclusive PS5 titles. This is great for sony and publishers because the PS4 wll stilll remain a viable platform even years after the PS5 has been released. 

That wasn’t the point of discussion. We all agree those games will most likely be cross gen games. He said they’ll be coming out after PS5‘s release. That’s what I’m doubting. 



Intrinsic on 16 November 2018
EricHiggin said:

Intrinsic said:

A year of radio silence isn't a big deal if played right. Firstly sony is still releasing at least 2 games next year. So its not like they aren't doing anything at all.

I think something is clear here. They cannot come and talk about anything new outside what we already know because everything new is on PS5.

And with the right stealth marketing.... a leak here and there, declerations of a great PSX 2019. Sony will firmly still have mind share leading up to PSX 2019 and then all they have to do is announce the PS5 and talk it up a bit and show a couple of trailers. And thats all anyone will be talking about right along side whatever MS shows because I believe at e3 219 MS will show the XB2.

Unfortunately for MS, they require sony to make some realy big stupid mistakes for them to have another 360 effect. That remains to be seen. 

If the PS5 is $500, then it doesn't matter when they announce. That's expensive enough that they won't have to worry that much about people changing their minds about buying a PS4. Most people who will be buying a PS4 holiday 2019, will be people who literally couldn't afford anything higher than a $199 price point, maybe even with a game or two bundled.

The one main way I see PS having any kind of a problem, is if MS launches Scarlet late 2019 for $400, with the PS5 being $500. That seems pretty unlikely though because I think for $500 PS is going to make sure you get your monies worth without question, and unless Scarlet is heavily subsidized, a $400 XB in 2019 won't be enough of a jump for the XB crowd. With XB1X still being relevant at that time, and being at least $100 cheaper, many will upgrade to XB1X instead, and some will stay on XB1X. This doesn't really hurt PS in terms of next gen, as long as Scarlet isn't gaining ground.

Exactly. And I think this is the part people are ignoring. 

Everyone talks about next gen and Price points as if everyone buys into a console at launch price. Whereas there are a lot of factors besides price that makes people buy into consoles. As it stands, we at least know that sony can sell around 30M consoles at a $400 price point ( thats how many consoles sony sold between launch and its first price drop). We also know that majority of sales at those high price points are from the core gamers or fans of a platform. 

So as long as sony makes a great consol, even priced at $500 they can at least sell about 20 of them within their first 18 months on the market. And even if MS decides to launch at $400 its possible sony can bite a $100 loss on each console sold and match the price of the XB2 and coming off the PS4 puts them in a great position to do that.

The PS4 could be just $100 more than an XB1X but over 2-3 times more powerful. I strongly doubt the millions of PS only gamers are going to opt into a cheaper XB1X and shun the PS5. Lets not aso foget the implications of the PS5 being backward compatible.... its an easy sell telling everyone that all their PS4 games will work and look better on the PS5. 

I think its safe to say that barring any massive foot shooting..... Sony will at the very least hold onto their exixting customers. Cause thats really what it will take to shift the tide, sony has to realy f something up.



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exclusive_console on 16 November 2018

Pretty much confirms they will have PSX next year. Honestly E3 is more about Multiplats



 

outlawauron on 16 November 2018
Errorist76 said:
outlawauron said:

Actions taken now reflect what will happen next generation. The return of arrogant Sony will not effect what has already happen, but opens a door of opportunity for either.

This is ridiculous. How is it arrogant if they even state they don't want to disappoint their fans, by not having enough new things to show? If anything that's humble and the opposite of arrogant. It would be arrogant if they boasted a huge show up for nothing. 

They have also stated that they have new and inventive plans, so you'll have to wait until you can call it anything atm.

New and inventive plans that they do not want to share at e3. Existing relationships with every relevant 3rd party studio in the world. Yeah, they couldn't possibly have anything to show at the world's biggest gaming event. Considering how bad their "conference" was last year, spending 45 minutes showing new games would be better than what they tried this year.

They've dropped out of PGW, PSX, and now E3 2019. They very well can unveil things at their own event, but still feels like they are not pushing any boundary because PS4 has sold so well. Giving a weak answer about not having enough first party content to show is more insulting imo.



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AngryLittleAlchemist on 17 November 2018
Errorist76 said:
Miyamotoo said:

All points those game want be released before PS5 launch, even Sony don't mention them any more. If they releasing them on PS4 before PS5 launch, than they could easily have onother E3 2019. focused on PS4, while they skipping hole E3 and that clearly saying they dont want to talk about those games from some reason yet (and obviously its PS5).

“Now that we have ‘Spiderman’ out the door, we’re looking down in 2019 to games like ‘Dreams’ and ‘Days Gone’ but we wouldn’t have enough to bring people altogether in some location in North America to have that event,” Layden said.”We don’t want to set expectations really high and then not deliver on it.” - Shawn Layden via the article.

Wishful thinking from your side? If the PS5 releases holidays 2020, which is the most likely scenario, Death Stranding possibly releasing end of 2019 and a whole year left for the “big hooray send-off” of PS4, with Ghost of Tsushima, The Last Of Us p2 and eventually even Horizon 2 releasing in 2020...what sound unrealistic about that? You honestly think they’ll all release in 2021? 

Correct me if I'm misunderstanding but you believe that Horizon 2 will be on PS4? Because that sounds unrealistic. Or are you just saying that it will release in 2020 for PS5, with other games releasing on PS4 in the same year. Or are you also saying that The Last of Us Part II and Ghost of Tsushima are PS5 exclusives?

I really think the order of release is more likely to be: The Last of Us Part 2, Death Stranding, and Ghost of Tsushima. Sure, TLOU2 was announced later but it has a lot less design decisions to struggle with compared to a new IP. 

To go a bit further, I actually think it's very likely that TLOUP2 and Death Stranding are PS4 first with a "remaster" releasing on PS5. Whereas I wouldn't be surprised if Tsushima was cross-gen day one. 



Miyamotoo on 17 November 2018
Errorist76 said:
Miyamotoo said:

All points those game want be released before PS5 launch, even Sony don't mention them any more. If they releasing them on PS4 before PS5 launch, than they could easily have onother E3 2019. focused on PS4, while they skipping hole E3 and that clearly saying they dont want to talk about those games from some reason yet (and obviously its PS5).

“Now that we have ‘Spiderman’ out the door, we’re looking down in 2019 to games like ‘Dreams’ and ‘Days Gone’ but we wouldn’t have enough to bring people altogether in some location in North America to have that event,” Layden said.”We don’t want to set expectations really high and then not deliver on it.” - Shawn Layden via the article.

Wishful thinking from your side? If the PS5 releases holidays 2020, which is the most likely scenario, Death Stranding possibly releasing end of 2019 and a whole year left for the “big hooray send-off” of PS4, with Ghost of Tsushima, The Last Of Us p2 and eventually even Horizon 2 releasing in 2020...what sound unrealistic about that? You honestly think they’ll all release in 2021? 

Not at all, again if those games will be released before PS5 launch why Sony dont attend on E3? With those games and plenty of 3rd party games, they could easily have E3 next year, point they completely skipping E3 is means thats almost certain tied to PS5. I dont say those games not will be released in 2020. what I saying is that those games most likly want be released before PS5 launch.

Also I wouldn't be so certain about Holiday 2020. launch, March 2020. is also very realistic option.

 

Zoombael said:
Miyamotoo said:

All points those game want be released before PS5 launch, even Sony don't mention them any more. If they releasing them on PS4 before PS5 launch, than they could easily have onother E3 2019. focused on PS4, while they skipping hole E3 and that clearly saying they dont want to talk about those games from some reason yet (and obviously its PS5).

“Now that we have ‘Spiderman’ out the door, we’re looking down in 2019 to games like ‘Dreams’ and ‘Days Gone’ but we wouldn’t have enough to bring people altogether in some location in North America to have that event,” Layden said.”We don’t want to set expectations really high and then not deliver on it.” - Shawn Layden via the article.

They skip E3. Not the whole year 2019. Maybe it's the american viewpoint that deems E3 the central point and everything circling it insignificant.

While Gamescom draws a crowd of nearly 400.000 people.

Yes, I expecting they will have PS5 conference in sometime after E3.



NoCtiS_NoX on 17 November 2018
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Correct me if I'm misunderstanding but you believe that Horizon 2 will be on PS4? Because that sounds unrealistic. Or are you just saying that it will release in 2020 for PS5, with other games releasing on PS4 in the same year. Or are you also saying that The Last of Us Part II and Ghost of Tsushima are PS5 exclusives?

I really think the order of release is more likely to be: The Last of Us Part 2, Death Stranding, and Ghost of Tsushima. Sure, TLOU2 was announced later but it has a lot less design decisions to struggle with compared to a new IP. 

To go a bit further, I actually think it's very likely that TLOUP2 and Death Stranding are PS4 first with a "remaster" releasing on PS5. Whereas I wouldn't be surprised if Tsushima was cross-gen day one. 

What’s unrealistic with HZD 2 being in PS4?  There will be a lot of crossgen title for PS4 and PS5. IMO, 2020 is a perfect release of HZD 2 for PS4 and PS5 unless PS5 will release next year.

If rumors are true a hidden team in San Diego is creating Uncharted. That’s most likely a launch title for PS5.  

Bend is also hiring for current and next gen game.  

I agree with TLOUP2 and death stranding. It will be release on 2019, DS will be June, TLOUPT2 will be Sept. Dream could be may or dec.

GOT and HZD2 will be 2020 and the last PS4 exclusive that’s being hinted by one of the insider in era.