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Will game consoles stop using physical media next gen?

Yes 9 8.11%
 
No 102 91.89%
 
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The next gen will use Blu Ray no doubt about it but I wonder if Sony will transition to triple or quad layer discs? A quad layer Blu Ray holds 128GB on one disc which is more than enough for nearly all games that will be coming out next gen. The down side is that the discs cost more and the drives that play them are quite expensive and Sony will be desperate to keep the PS5 to a price around $400US. They got their fingers burned with the $600 PS3 launch and lessons were learned. I suspect they'll just keep the current Blu Ray format and include 2 discs when required or make the consumer download increasingly large day 1 patches but I hope this is not the case.
Remember that in theory a Blu Ray disc can have 6 layers so it's possible that we might be using them for many years to come.



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Sixteenvolt420 said:

There had better be physical media for next gen. I buy very few digital games, unless they're $5 or less. I'm also one of the few that refuses to buy digital music as well.

Digital music... either give me for free on spotfy/YT or I'll pirate... now if you have a cheap show DVD I'll gladly buy.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

dgboweniii said:

it was a joke dude (well, kinda).  If they don't have stable internet they don't care about games or main stream media.

Of course there are outliers, but those folks are going to have a hard time because physical is just not sustainable in the very near future.  I would go on to tell you I'm a dev and blah blah blah but no one cares.  Physical is bad for the devs and it's not debateable, WE HATE IT.

Good luck to all of those on dial up, and i hope you dont want any DLC for your disc based games.  (again, kinda kidding).  Cheer's.

And with my last nugget of priceless advice.....  "Never marry someone without living with them for a week with slow internet."

Can you please tell at which company you work so I can avoid to ever again buy a product from them?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Microsoft already annoucned next gen that they will be offering a traditional console. Also the Switch will be around next gen aswell using cards. So maybe the end of next gen physical media will finially die.



CaptainExplosion said:
Barkley said:

Even with just 10mbit broadband you'll download a 100gb game in under 30 hours.

I imagine most people who purchase physical copies order them online too from Amazon or another online retailer, so unless you have next-day (e.g. prime) it'll take longer to get the physical game delivered then it will to download it even on a slow internet connection.

The wait is only longer compared to buying in-store.

Datacaps are an issue for countries that have them, UK doesn't really.

Do Canada or the United States have datacaps?

Sure do. We usually have the option of unlimited for a higher cost. In rural Ontario Canada I can get 5.0mbps down and 0.5mbps up for either $35 per month at a 300GB cap, or $45 per month unlimited. It's usually another $10 or so for unlimited no matter the plan. The bigger ISP's seem to charge like $5 to $10 more per month with 50GB-100GB less data. We also typically get free data overnight, like from 1am to 7am. So I could download a 100GB file every night, all week and get most of the data free. I wish the PS4 had a timer option for downloading.

Buying from Amazon or Best Buy, etc, typically takes a couple days, or a week at most, but I'm also within a couple hours of the main distribution centers. I'm also a couple km's from a recently laid fiber line that fed the small town nearby. That medium sized ISP, like most others, are laying fiber from town to town first, then wiring everything in between eventually. Problem is Canada is one huge landmass, which means as close as I may be to a gigabit fiber line, I'm decades away from seeing it at my door. Very little, if any construction get's done in the 4-5 months during the winter.

The large ISP's, who own all those in between lines, aren't going to do anything for us either. Just getting something fixed is a nightmare. Recently on the news it was announced that Bell is going to spend billions and years upgrading Toronto to full fiber gigabit internet, all at an affordable rate with higher caps, when they already have 10X better internet than everyone else in Ontario. Bell, who own's the in between lines around here, only upgraded to 5.0mbps dsl about 5 or 6 years ago, and only added the bandwidth necessary to feed that speed continuously without heavily throttling, just this year.

Streaming and digital downloads are the bogeyman to me and most of my gaming friends.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 13 November 2018

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Yerm said:
we have about 20 logical arguments for getting rid of physical media but we decide to keep it around for nostalgic purposes. the time has come to ditch it

Uh... no.

Many games still primarily sell physical copies. Especially around launch when profits are at their highest. Saying its nostalgic implies few people are actually using it physical media.

There are also valid reasons why people would want physical copies. Such as actually feeling like they own their game, can let others use it, sell it, etc.

Most importantly, backwards compatibility uses our discs on Xbox! With that said, I've noticed 360 games are still quite common at retail.



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RaptorChrist said:
0D0 said:

First, yes, I guess the big three don't want to sideline Walmart, Amazon and others like this.

Second, price is not the sum of all costs, price is whatever the market value the product. People just go and pay full price on digital regardless, so, that's the value of a new game. No matter how it's delivered to you, its value is $60 and people just pay. Of course, we can't forget the cuts that come later on. Full price is almost never forever (unless we're talking about Nintendo, lol). (I hope I don't get banned for that small joke but I can't resist -- no console wars: peace and love).

I get what you're saying. As a consumer, I would rather have physical media at this point in time, but there are many advantages to digital from the perspectives of the console makers.

1. As I said before, no middle man (so that means an extra $10 or so per copy sold)

2. Digital games can't be traded in, and thus there is a smaller market for used games.

3. Building up a digital library of games can cause a gamer to become more loyal to a given brand, as they would likely want to continue using the service that houses all of their digital games from one generation going into the next (a big reason why Steam has little competition in the PC marketplace).

Given all that, I would think that there would be the occasional game that can be purchased for a cheaper price on the digital front, but that never seems to be the case. I know Nintendo offers triple points on digital games, but that's the extent of it. Nintendo especially, with the high cost of their game cards, I imagine would make an extra $15 or more per copy of game sold on the digital marketplace versus a physical copy sold in stores. They could sell their $60 games for $50 on the digital front and each sale would still make them more money than the physical counterpart.

What you say is perfectly correct, in a maths sense, but not in the market sense. I bet iphones are more cheaper to make than certain android phones with far better technology, but still iphones are worthy more. The game industry has set a price tag, it's $60.



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EricHiggin said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Do Canada or the United States have datacaps?

Sure do. We usually have the option of unlimited for a higher cost. In rural Ontario Canada I can get 5.0mbps down and 0.5mbps up for either $35 per month at a 300GB cap, or $45 per month unlimited. It's usually another $10 or so for unlimited no matter the plan. The bigger ISP's seem to charge like $5 to $10 more per month with 50GB-100GB less data. We also typically get free data overnight, like from 1am to 7am. So I could download a 100GB file every night, all week and get most of the data free. I wish the PS4 had a timer option for downloading.

Sad that Australian internet is better... Seems like the USA/Canada is going backwards whilst we go forwards.
Wasn't always the case even just a few years ago when providers refused to uncap our DSL connections and limited everyone to 1.5Mbps with a 10GB data cap for $80 a month.

Today I can download a 100GB file within 2-3 hours. Completely unlimited.



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Pemalite said:
EricHiggin said:

Sure do. We usually have the option of unlimited for a higher cost. In rural Ontario Canada I can get 5.0mbps down and 0.5mbps up for either $35 per month at a 300GB cap, or $45 per month unlimited. It's usually another $10 or so for unlimited no matter the plan. The bigger ISP's seem to charge like $5 to $10 more per month with 50GB-100GB less data. We also typically get free data overnight, like from 1am to 7am. So I could download a 100GB file every night, all week and get most of the data free. I wish the PS4 had a timer option for downloading.

Sad that Australian internet is better... Seems like the USA/Canada is going backwards whilst we go forwards.
Wasn't always the case even just a few years ago when providers refused to uncap our DSL connections and limited everyone to 1.5Mbps with a 10GB data cap for $80 a month.

Today I can download a 100GB file within 2-3 hours. Completely unlimited.

Well when your leaders are willing to stagnate the economy and piss off the people by putting them even deeper in debt, by paying exorbitant amounts to have renewable energy installed as fast as possible no matter the cost, all while giving away billions to other countries to help them do the same, ya, it's pretty sad. Then on top of it, when hydro rates go through the roof because of it, they tell you that's just the cost of 'saving the world'. (We actually grew a spine for a second and complained enough that they gave decent discounts for now, but it really is just pushing back the price hike until after the next election, just by chance).

As socialist and Canada can be, it's the opposite in terms of capitalism in some ways actually. Especially when it comes to communications. The few big corporations call the shots and do whatever they can to stop the smaller guys, and they mostly get away with it. This also leaves a bad taste in people's mouths and they don't bother trying to get into these types of businesses, because it will just be an uphill battle with giants constantly throwing rocks down at you every step you try to take up the hill. Canadians also don't complain often, other than about the weather, and when we do complain, they throw you the bone when you asked for your fair share of the steak, and we happily accept it.

What makes no sense is instead of charging considerably more for the faster and more reliable infrastructure being installed, and using that to offset the cost of laying kms of line for only a handful of homes, or installing worthy high speed wireless towers, they offer the new systems for even cheaper with higher caps. The fiber nearby has a min buy in of 40mbps down and 5.0mbps up, for $50 a month, with a 500GB data cap, or $60 a month for unlimited. The faster the plan you purchase, the better the deal you get, by a lot. Next plan step is 100mbps down and 10mbps up, for $65 a month, 500GB data cap, or $75 a month for unlimited. A lot of people in the rural area's are locked into wireless internet around here, which is typically around 2.0mbps down and 0.5mbps up for $60 a month, unlimited. Some are stuck with satellite, and pay around $80 a month for 20mbps down and 1mbps up, with a 250GB data cap, but it varies a lot and anytime near peak period, it usually hovers around 5.0mbps down.

Canada needs new government and quickly. Fall 2019 that should happen.



EricHiggin said:
Pemalite said:

Sad that Australian internet is better... Seems like the USA/Canada is going backwards whilst we go forwards.
Wasn't always the case even just a few years ago when providers refused to uncap our DSL connections and limited everyone to 1.5Mbps with a 10GB data cap for $80 a month.

Today I can download a 100GB file within 2-3 hours. Completely unlimited.

Well when your leaders are willing to stagnate the economy and piss off the people by putting them even deeper in debt, by paying exorbitant amounts to have renewable energy installed as fast as possible no matter the cost, all while giving away billions to other countries to help them do the same, ya, it's pretty sad. Then on top of it, when hydro rates go through the roof because of it, they tell you that's just the cost of 'saving the world'. (We actually grew a spine for a second and complained enough that they gave decent discounts for now, but it really is just pushing back the price hike until after the next election, just by chance).

As socialist and Canada can be, it's the opposite in terms of capitalism in some ways actually. Especially when it comes to communications. The few big corporations call the shots and do whatever they can to stop the smaller guys, and they mostly get away with it. This also leaves a bad taste in people's mouths and they don't bother trying to get into these types of businesses, because it will just be an uphill battle with giants constantly throwing rocks down at you every step you try to take up the hill. Canadians also don't complain often, other than about the weather, and when we do complain, they throw you the bone when you asked for your fair share of the steak, and we happily accept it.

What makes no sense is instead of charging considerably more for the faster and more reliable infrastructure being installed, and using that to offset the cost of laying kms of line for only a handful of homes, or installing worthy high speed wireless towers, they offer the new systems for even cheaper with higher caps. The fiber nearby has a min buy in of 40mbps down and 5.0mbps up, for $50 a month, with a 500GB data cap, or $60 a month for unlimited. The faster the plan you purchase, the better the deal you get, by a lot. Next plan step is 100mbps down and 10mbps up, for $65 a month, 500GB data cap, or $75 a month for unlimited. A lot of people in the rural area's are locked into wireless internet around here, which is typically around 2.0mbps down and 0.5mbps up for $60 a month, unlimited. Some are stuck with satellite, and pay around $80 a month for 20mbps down and 1mbps up, with a 250GB data cap, but it varies a lot and anytime near peak period, it usually hovers around 5.0mbps down.

Canada needs new government and quickly. Fall 2019 that should happen.

Economies of scale and profit margins won't lie. They will put more money where they will win it, doesn't matter how off or worse is in other areas of the region.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."