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deskpro2k3 said:

Constitution > Executive Order

He is just saying he'll override the 14th Amendment just to get votes because it's what his followers want.

Could be argued that is not very Patriotic though, right?
He is literally undermining a founding pillar of the US, wouln't he thus loose a few votes from the conservative side?



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sundin13 said:
Who needs the Constitution, right? Burn it all (except for the second amendment).

Well dems hate the first and second.

I can't imagine the left will complain given how much they complain about the constitution. Its just a document written by old white men.



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Pemalite said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Constitution > Executive Order

He is just saying he'll override the 14th Amendment just to get votes because it's what his followers want.

Could be argued that is not very Patriotic though, right?
He is literally undermining a founding pillar of the US, wouln't he thus loose a few votes from the conservative side?

Hard to say, I think republican politicians will go against Trump on this. But I think a lot of republican and independent voters would actually support it.

Frankly, I could support this decision just because its being exploited and encourages people to come over illegally. We are also one of few (if any other?) countries doing it. Doesn't mean I want to end all immigration by any means, but this situation and incentive to come illegally is a mess.



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This guy is just all over the place, can't stand him



it was to make the then slaves American citizens, it was never meant to naturalize illegals, as they are not citizens and therefor are not under the jurisdiction of the US but the country they came in illegally from. Even native americans did not qualify as they were under tribal jurisdiction.

i also find it funny how now the left is concerned about the constitution all of a sudden.



 

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Mr Puggsly said:
sundin13 said:
Who needs the Constitution, right? Burn it all (except for the second amendment).

Well dems hate the first and second.

I can't imagine the left will complain given how much they complain about the constitution. Its just a document written by old white men.

I don't know enough about US politics to know what the dems have said, but it's perfectly finy to criticize the constitution but entirely another thing to say you're simply going to ignore it. Changing the constitution (or in the case of the US, amending it) is perfectly fine, but ignoring it is not.



Mr Puggsly said:
Pemalite said:

Could be argued that is not very Patriotic though, right?
He is literally undermining a founding pillar of the US, wouln't he thus loose a few votes from the conservative side?

Hard to say, I think republican politicians will go against Trump on this. But I think a lot of republican and independent voters would actually support it.

Frankly, I could support this decision just because its being exploited and encourages people to come over illegally. We are also one of few (if any other?) countries doing it. Doesn't mean I want to end all immigration by any means, but this situation and incentive to come illegally is a mess.

That is the problem.  Even if you support a change to the constitution on this matter letting the President change it with an executive order opens the door for any president.  If you believe it just stops at this one issue you have not paid attention to US politics.  This is very dangerous grounds as it bypasses the rules we already have in place for such changes.  Also the next president change you may not favor.

 

If Trump wants to make this change then he needs to abide by the laws we have in place.  Trying to circumvent the process make it appear he is trying to be a dictator.



LiquorandGunFun said:
it was to make the then slaves American citizens, it was never meant to naturalize illegals, as they are not citizens and therefor are not under the jurisdiction of the US but the country they came in illegally from. Even native americans did not qualify as they were under tribal jurisdiction.

i also find it funny how now the left is concerned about the constitution all of a sudden.

What are the examples where the left or even the Dems has looked for the executive office to make changes with an executive order.  It's one thing to want change, its another to allow the president to change it without due process from the other branches and the states.



LiquorandGunFun said:
it was to make the then slaves American citizens, it was never meant to naturalize illegals, as they are not citizens and therefor are not under the jurisdiction of the US but the country they came in illegally from. Even native americans did not qualify as they were under tribal jurisdiction.

i also find it funny how now the left is concerned about the constitution all of a sudden.

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The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1868, granted citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the United States—including former slaves—and guaranteed all citizens "equal protection of the laws."



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LiquorandGunFun said:
it was to make the then slaves American citizens, it was never meant to naturalize illegals, as they are not citizens and therefor are not under the jurisdiction of the US but the country they came in illegally from. Even native americans did not qualify as they were under tribal jurisdiction.

i also find it funny how now the left is concerned about the constitution all of a sudden.

There really is no need to create a straw man argument.  The point of contention here doesn't seem to be about changing the Constitution, it's about overriding the Constitution with an Executive Order.  That's obviously a much different story even if you try to cast it as something else.