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What should be done about guns in the US?

Nothing 9 13.43%
 
Strict background checks 35 52.24%
 
Ban guns 18 26.87%
 
other- comment down below. 5 7.46%
 
Total:67
CosmicSex said:
sc94597 said:

Not everyone agrees that the myth is reality. Especially the more one looks at the structure of representative "democracy" and the philosophical foundations justifying it, which seem to contradict themselves. 

 

See: http://www.people-press.org/2017/12/14/public-trust-in-government-1958-2017/

Fortunately, this a problem we can solve.  We can protect voting, educate (like really educate, not just hate ads) on the candidate, their  beliefs and exactly what they will do as our representative, let them be responsible for the outcomes and take control over who is representing us.  It is a tall order and the hardest part is getting people to pay attention.   And all candidates wont to a good choice for all people everywhere.  The needs of the people in Seattle and needs of the people in Dallas may be wildly different.  

Next, I propose that we dissolve political parties.  Counties and municipalities  will be responsible for funding their own elections and the candidates are beholden to work within the budget allowed.  If we can get the money out of politics, we can take back control over our representation.  No more mega donors to drown the airways with pro candidate messages with and end of buying their own elections. 

It is easier to say and harder to do. What you are suggesting is just short of political-economic revolution, but why stop there? Why not have an actual political-economic revolution which questions the basis of liberal-democratic political-economic life?

 

But that means the working class must keep its guns.

 

 

 

 

 



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SpokenTruth said:

I see 3 main discussions going on so I'll try to hit all 3.

 

A. Domestic terrorism is a far larger problem in this country than foreign terrorism yet our national focus and budget is clearly prioritized to the latter. 

B. The guy shot 4 cops and gets taken alive.  My first thought....I bet he's white.

C. Gun control.  I have a list of ideas that will help if, IF, used all together. Individually they won't do much.  Obviously each of these are only a summarization for simplicity purposes. 

1. National registry and licensing for all guns and gun owners.
2. Register all gun and ammo sales.
3. Private sales must be notarized and registered.
4. Must pass psych evaluation and safety training every 3 years.
5. Owners must carry Gun Owners Insurance.
6. Cannot own more than 4 guns without a "collectors" license.
7. If you have kids under 18 living in the house, guns must be locked and/or unloaded.
8. National background check prior to any gun or ammo purchase.
9. Criminal history negates license.
10. Illegal gun/ammo sale/ownership results in felony charges with harsh consequences.
11. Circumvention of these results in felony charges with harsh consequences.

"The guy shot 4 cops and gets taken alive.  My first thought....I bet he's white."

What makes you say this?



KLAMarine said:
SpokenTruth said:

I see 3 main discussions going on so I'll try to hit all 3.

 

A. Domestic terrorism is a far larger problem in this country than foreign terrorism yet our national focus and budget is clearly prioritized to the latter. 

B. The guy shot 4 cops and gets taken alive.  My first thought....I bet he's white.

C. Gun control.  I have a list of ideas that will help if, IF, used all together. Individually they won't do much.  Obviously each of these are only a summarization for simplicity purposes. 

1. National registry and licensing for all guns and gun owners.
2. Register all gun and ammo sales.
3. Private sales must be notarized and registered.
4. Must pass psych evaluation and safety training every 3 years.
5. Owners must carry Gun Owners Insurance.
6. Cannot own more than 4 guns without a "collectors" license.
7. If you have kids under 18 living in the house, guns must be locked and/or unloaded.
8. National background check prior to any gun or ammo purchase.
9. Criminal history negates license.
10. Illegal gun/ammo sale/ownership results in felony charges with harsh consequences.
11. Circumvention of these results in felony charges with harsh consequences.

"The guy shot 4 cops and gets taken alive.  My first thought....I bet he's white."

What makes you say this?

Because if he were dark, he'd be dead.



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sc94597 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

1. Do tell us all about Canada’s history of police going “door to door” every time they passed gun control measures.  I am certain it will be a very, very quick history lesson, one that reinforces how weak an excuse you had.

2. So you acknowledge that Canada is more successful than West Korea without having to ban guns. Awesome.

3. And yet I am still not seeing any evidence of that. Not even a quote.  What are the odds?

4.  And I’m not seeing a word uttered on all that silliness about disarmament.  You brought that up, only to profess no interest in talking about it.  Is there anything else that I didn’t bring up that you don’t want to talk about?  Now’s your chance to talk about it.

1. & 2. You are using a tactic of mixing up responses to general claims you made, such as "other countries" and specific ones such as "Canada”.

3. I am not able to spend the time to use VGChartz's search feature right now

4. No I am interested in talking about these things. Just not with you. 

1/2. Canada is not another country?  As “other countries” implies, more than one nation has a system historically proven successful that West Korea could look to.  You didn’t want to look at small, and/or island countries.  Fortunately, West Korea has a nation right next door that is exempt from your arbitrary, disqualifying criteria.  But don’t let that stop you from moving the goal posts enough to convince yourself that the continued strategy of sitting with your thumb up your ass is a viable alternative.

3. Of course not.  Best refrain from replying to a possibly nonexistent comment from a bygone era, then. So much easier it is to find something that is actually relevant to say to the present subject matter instead.

4. And yet you were the one who brought it up all on your own.  To me.  What are the odds?



Guns don't kill anything unless used as a club. Bullets kill. So we need bullet control. New Laws: $10 tax on each bullet. Either make your own bullets or you can buy them from your local Police Station ONLY. So simple and costs nothing.



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SuaveSocialist said:

1/2. Canada is not another country?  As “other countries” implies, more than one nation has a system historically proven successful that West Korea could look to.  You didn’t want to look at small, and/or island countries.  Fortunately, West Korea has a nation right next door that is exempt from your arbitrary, disqualifying criteria.  But don’t let that stop you from moving the goal posts enough to convince yourself that the continued strategy of sitting with your thumb up your ass is a viable alternative.

3. Of course not.  Best refrain from replying to a possibly nonexistent comment from a bygone era, then. So much easier it is to find something that is actually relevant to say to the present subject matter instead.

4. And yet you were the one who brought it up all on your own.  To me.  What are the odds?

Here you go, SuaveFauxcialist.

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8736146

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CuCabeludo said:
JRPGfan said:

Theres a solution to that though.... get good quality Cops and lots of them.
Tighten controll of shipping, and make sure guns dont get in.

Its possible to controll that.

Our borders are too huge to be conrolled, even in US borders with Mexico, which are right now much better controlled, still lots of drugs and illegal guns come to US via Mexico. Imagine here in Brazil, which has even bigger borders with not only one, but several countries, in almost each one has its own drug cartels.

keep in mind that Canada has a border with the States and gun ownership / murder is massively lower than in the USA, to suggest that you're linked to something with a stupid amount of guns would cause you to have guns and homicide then you have Canada which disproves that 100%



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Ganoncrotch said:
CuCabeludo said:

Our borders are too huge to be conrolled, even in US borders with Mexico, which are right now much better controlled, still lots of drugs and illegal guns come to US via Mexico. Imagine here in Brazil, which has even bigger borders with not only one, but several countries, in almost each one has its own drug cartels.

keep in mind that Canada has a border with the States and gun ownership / murder is massively lower than in the USA, to suggest that you're linked to something with a stupid amount of guns would cause you to have guns and homicide then you have Canada which disproves that 100%

If Canada shared borders with the same countries as Brazil, everything would be different, guns and drugs would rain all over in Canada. US, with all problems they have, has a much more prepared police and better laws to deal with this situation than the countries Brazil shares its borders with.

Last edited by CuCabeludo - on 29 October 2018

We are gonna have to go for the lesser of two evils. This means gun control because the ultimate question is how many others are there out there sick like this dude. I would prefer gun control to rolling the dice on innocent lives.



CosmicSex said:
We are gonna have to go for the lesser of two evils. This means gun control because the ultimate question is how many others are there out there sick like this dude. I would prefer gun control to rolling the dice on innocent lives.

Yeah because when Hitler or other dictators banned guns, everything was just peachy.