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so much sugarcoating goin on in the past few post. don't even try to sugarcoat this meme because you'll just eat this one up too.



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deskpro2k3 said:

 

so much sugarcoating goin on in the past few post. don't even try to sugarcoat this meme because you'll just eat this one up too.

Since you said “past few post”, then I’m thinking you’re including me?

If that’s the case, then you might want to read back, I’ve addressed every response that was addressed to me pages ago, in fact it was my comments that were not addressed at all. Just simply dropped and never replied to. And the debate in this thread has gone on a circular loop now. So yeah, you got it backwards. If you feel that I didn’t reply to a claim addressed to me, pls post it then so I may do so. If your “past few post” comment didn’t include me, then feel free to carry on but be more accurate of your wording next time.



EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

So if I get this right, If I tell someone to kill your kids and that person kills your kids, only the person who actually committed the act should be punish.  

As to your second paragraph, yeah that would be great.  If only there was a president who was smart enough to understand his position and increase jobs, reduce taxes but doesn't put the country into such debt that it will take decades to recover.  Oh well, as long as the economy is hot all is good huh.

Depends on your beliefs. Some people believe only the person who said it first should be totally guilty, some think the initiator should be more at fault but everyone is guilty to some degree, some think everyone is equally guilty, and some think only the act committer is guilty. I think everything factors into it one way or another. Just because someone 'said it first' doesn't necessarily mean they didn't learn or interpret that from something else that someone said or wrote before. How far back do we go? Just because someone takes action, doesn't mean they were specifically told to, or interpreted the meaning incorrectly.

I'm just saying to try and put complete blame on someone for saying something doesn't seem overly logical. I've been told/taught many things in my life, yet I don't do/follow many of them, since I don't agree and think they aren't useful or productive. Not everyone is like me though. So do we let everyone make up their own minds and hope for the best, or do we lead everyone by strict rules, or do we try and find a balance and just deal with the odd issue from time to time?

This is the problem.  You are still trying to rationalize what others would do to a direct question that I asked what would you do.  I will ask again, would YOU consider if a person tells someone to kill your kids equally to blame for the person killing your kids.  A lot of things change when it's personal.  We can always find some way to rationalize what some mythical other person would do.

As to another question that is direct to you and no rationalizing what others might do, are you saying that no matter what anyone says, if acts of violence is done because they promoted it they do not share any blame.



DrDoomz said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

so much sugarcoating goin on in the past few post. don't even try to sugarcoat this meme because you'll just eat this one up too.

Since you said “past few post”, then I’m thinking you’re including me?

If that’s the case, then you might want to read back, I’ve addressed every response that was addressed to me pages ago, in fact it was my comments that were not addressed at all. Just simply dropped and never replied to. And the debate in this thread has gone on a circular loop now. So yeah, you got it backwards. If you feel that I didn’t reply to a claim addressed to me, pls post it then so I may do so. If your “past few post” comment didn’t include me, then feel free to carry on but be more accurate of your wording next time.

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Yeah. Lets get back on topic and stop the use of memes as a way to get your point across.



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Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

Depends on your beliefs. Some people believe only the person who said it first should be totally guilty, some think the initiator should be more at fault but everyone is guilty to some degree, some think everyone is equally guilty, and some think only the act committer is guilty. I think everything factors into it one way or another. Just because someone 'said it first' doesn't necessarily mean they didn't learn or interpret that from something else that someone said or wrote before. How far back do we go? Just because someone takes action, doesn't mean they were specifically told to, or interpreted the meaning incorrectly.

I'm just saying to try and put complete blame on someone for saying something doesn't seem overly logical. I've been told/taught many things in my life, yet I don't do/follow many of them, since I don't agree and think they aren't useful or productive. Not everyone is like me though. So do we let everyone make up their own minds and hope for the best, or do we lead everyone by strict rules, or do we try and find a balance and just deal with the odd issue from time to time?

This is the problem.  You are still trying to rationalize what others would do to a direct question that I asked what would you do.  I will ask again, would YOU consider if a person tells someone to kill your kids equally to blame for the person killing your kids.  A lot of things change when it's personal.  We can always find some way to rationalize what some mythical other person would do.

As to another question that is direct to you and no rationalizing what others might do, are you saying that no matter what anyone says, if acts of violence is done because they promoted it they do not share any blame.

You have to be more specific about the exact situation. Who said it? Were they the first? Did they get the idea from elsewhere? Did they have a reason to say that because of me? Did the person who did the crime plan on doing it anyway beforehand? Did the killer have a reason to do so because of me? Did the killer get anything else out of it, like money, and from who exactly? How many times has the killer committed a crime? Etc.

I don't necessarily think every single situation should fall under the exact same conclusion.



deskpro2k3 said:
DrDoomz said:

Since you said “past few post”, then I’m thinking you’re including me?

If that’s the case, then you might want to read back, I’ve addressed every response that was addressed to me pages ago, in fact it was my comments that were not addressed at all. Just simply dropped and never replied to. And the debate in this thread has gone on a circular loop now. So yeah, you got it backwards. If you feel that I didn’t reply to a claim addressed to me, pls post it then so I may do so. If your “past few post” comment didn’t include me, then feel free to carry on but be more accurate of your wording next time.

1) Calling out possible hypocrisy AFTER already addressing the initial claim is not Whataboutism.

2) Stating your error and then asking you to either: provide the basis of your Whataboutism fallacy accusation or to clarify who you are addressing is not a personal incredulity fallacy.

If you want to pretend to be clever by using fallacy memes, at least know the fallacies that the memes are about. Here is a website that could help:

http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/ENGL1311/fallacies.htm

You’re welcome.

Might wanna brush up a bit, your improper use is kinda cringeworthy.

Have a nice day.

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DrDoomz said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

Cringeworthy stuff

 

 

lets not go far into semantics, that can be a discussion for another thread. now listen close class is in session..

I don't care if you address other post since that has nothing to do with whataboutery, but it is the content within it that is. Secondly and in case you didn't notice, yes I was talking about you as well as others that want to say something similar along these lines; "but what about Waters this and that she is just as worse etc" That is whataboutism, but you're to ignorant to realize that. The fact is you and friends is pulling at straws comparing Waters with Trump which is not only a whataboutery argument, but a faulty comparison.

You can try all you want to sugar coat and for the record, everyone here is cringing at you.



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ok I realize what I said up there was to combative. I'm sorry, I take it back. Lets have peace.



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EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

This is the problem.  You are still trying to rationalize what others would do to a direct question that I asked what would you do.  I will ask again, would YOU consider if a person tells someone to kill your kids equally to blame for the person killing your kids.  A lot of things change when it's personal.  We can always find some way to rationalize what some mythical other person would do.

As to another question that is direct to you and no rationalizing what others might do, are you saying that no matter what anyone says, if acts of violence is done because they promoted it they do not share any blame.

You have to be more specific about the exact situation. Who said it? Were they the first? Did they get the idea from elsewhere? Did they have a reason to say that because of me? Did the person who did the crime plan on doing it anyway beforehand? Did the killer have a reason to do so because of me? Did the killer get anything else out of it, like money, and from who exactly? How many times has the killer committed a crime? Etc.

I don't necessarily think every single situation should fall under the exact same conclusion.

Lol, so you actually have to ask all of these questions in your mind in order to believe the person asking someone to kill your kids merits the same punishment.  You mean you care if the person had a reason or if you stepped on his foot in a line or if the person who did the crime was thinking of doing it anyway.  I believe we do not need to continue this conversation because I believe you are jerking my chain.  

I will give you my personal opinion.  If someone ask another person to kill my kids, I do not care what the motivation of that person, they would be equal in my eyes to the person committing the crime.