melbye said: Carl said: Funny how the pro-Trump gang that have swarmed political threads have suddenly ignored this one, huh? This has as much to do with Trump as the Bernie-supporter who shot Steve Scalise has to do with Bernie Sanders

It's just not healthy that Trump's rhetoric could lead to someone carrying out this act. Sanders has never incited violence against anyone unlike the President. 

Oopth said: melbye said: This has as much to do with Trump as the Bernie-supporter who shot Steve Scalise has to do with Bernie Sanders It's just not healthy that Trump's rhetoric could lead to someone carrying out this act. Sanders has never incited violence against anyone unlike the President.

Nah, dude was crazy way before Trump became president

Oopth said: melbye said: This has as much to do with Trump as the Bernie-supporter who shot Steve Scalise has to do with Bernie Sanders It's just not healthy that Trump's rhetoric could lead to someone carrying out this act. Sanders has never incited violence against anyone unlike the President.

Yeah it is almost as if correlation does not imply causation ... odd right?

melbye said: Oopth said: It's just not healthy that Trump's rhetoric could lead to someone carrying out this act. Sanders has never incited violence against anyone unlike the President.  Nah, dude was crazy way before Trump became president

Terrorists are nearly always people who have been mentally unstable for years before suddenly snapping when there's a trigger.

This is not the exception for them, this is the rule. That is the reason there are government watchlists etc.

Besides... if some troll screams "fire!" at the theaters and someone dies from a cardiac arrest, it does not exempt the troll from being someone obnoxiously stupid, and guilty, if the person who died was obese or had heart issues already.

melbye said: Carl said: Funny how the pro-Trump gang that have swarmed political threads have suddenly ignored this one, huh? This has as much to do with Trump as the Bernie-supporter who shot Steve Scalise has to do with Bernie Sanders

Or the guy who sent white powder to Reps just a few weeks ago. Of course, that doesn't help with the narrative, so those stories are dropped quickly.

I posted this several pages ago:

DrDoomz said: vivster said: Of course nobody said "kill", because that would be stupid even for Trump. But Trump's persona and his  seeming endorsement of violence against political opponents at his rallies paint a pretty radical picture that can be used as justification for someone who would want to commit murder. I haven't seen Obama, Clinton or even Bush bring that kind of Trump rhetoric. Idunno man. I feel single/few insane individuals being driven to do insane things using anyone’s words as justification isn’t something anyone can control as they can just as likely use anything anyone says as justification as to do something insanse? Isn’t this the same as blaming Islam for its teachings with regards to terrorism? I mean using that logic, then isn’t Islam far more, far far more guilty of this? Personally, I do not subscribe to this idea. I am for personal responsiblity.

 

Like I said, crazy ppl get triggered by just about anything. It could be a call to do violence and harm. Or scaring them into thinking harm will be done unto them like when Sanders said “thousands of Americans will die” when he commented on the healthcare plans of the repubs. Or it can be a random insignificant thing. That is why it is called crazy after all. The “Trump encouraged some form of violence thus all violence done by any crazy followers is automatically his fault” is not really logic I can get behind.

Hiku said: melbye said: This has as much to do with Trump as the Bernie-supporter who shot Steve Scalise has to do with Bernie Sanders Yes, because Bernie encouraged violence among his own people. In fact I have some Bernie quotes here: (It's missing some of my favorite quotes though, like "I'll pay your legal fees" and "maybe you second amendment people can do something about it.") Don't make false equivalences. I saw this inaccurate Bernie comparison from Lindsey Graham and certain right wing media, and I expected people to parrot it in this thread without even considering why people are discussing Trump. It's not because this person was a Trump fan. That would be ridiculous. It's because of Trump encouraging violence. Both politically motivated violence, and otherwise. This is not normal for a president in a non authoritarian country. And what a president says, when millions of people look up to him (and some event believe he was sent by God), has consequences. thismeintiel said: Or the guy who sent white powder to Reps just a few weeks ago. Of course, that doesn't help with the narrative, so those stories are dropped quickly. No one in Washington (to my knowledge) has encouraged political violence, except for Trump. That has been the narrative for a few years now. This is not a new subject. If Bernie had told his supporters to injure protesters, or "Maybe you second amendment people can do something about it", etc, then yes, his influence on the shooter would have been considered and his behavior criticized. But as it stands, we can't say that Bernie has said anything that promoted violence among his supporters. The same however can not be said of Trump.

Then, you have either not been paying attention or are blinded by bias.  It's telling that you guys have to go back to 2016 for those quotes, ones that many on the right denounced at the time, as well.  Ever since becoming President he has only spouted the normal political rhetoric about his political opponents.  The Dems, on the other hand, have been calling for civil unrest ever since they lost the Kavanaugh battle.  Maxine Waters calling for mobs to surround Reps in public places and yell at them that they are not welcome there.  Corey Booker telling Dems to get up into Reps faces.  Eric Holder saying that when the Reps go low, "we kick them."  Hillary saying there will only be a return to civility when they regain power. This all while making excuses for or completely ignoring violent groups like Antifa.

It doesn't help when the Dems are constantly calling Reps racist and sexists who hate minorities.  Basically labeling them as pure evil.  Bernie himself said that the Reps policies would lead to "thousands of people dying."  Pretty extreme rhetoric that could easily trigger a crazy wanting to stop those "deaths."  If you want to blame the right for the fake bombs wanting to scare Dems, then you have to blame Dems for a man trying to murder a couple dozen Rep Congressman and the man sending Ricin, something that absolutely would have hurt or killed its intended targets, to Reps just a couple weeks ago.  Unless you are a complete hypocrite, of course.

thismeintiel said: Then, you have either not been paying attention or are blinded by bias.  It's telling that you guys have to go back to 2016 for those quotes, ones that many on the right denounced at the time, as well.  Ever since becoming President he has only spouted the normal political rhetoric about his political opponents.

Um dude, this is Trump from last week after someone attacked a reporter and I quote

Trump praises GOP congressman who assaulted reporter: 'Any guy that can do a body slam — he's my guy.'

What do you say to this thismeintiel?

( thismeintiel bursts into tears and runs away )

 

GProgrammer said: thismeintiel said: Then, you have either not been paying attention or are blinded by bias.  It's telling that you guys have to go back to 2016 for those quotes, ones that many on the right denounced at the time, as well.  Ever since becoming President he has only spouted the normal political rhetoric about his political opponents.  Um dude, this is Trump from last week after someone attacked a reporter and I quote Trump praises GOP congressman who assaulted reporter: 'Any guy that can do a body slam — he's my guy.' What do you say to this thismeintiel? ( thismeintiel bursts into tears and runs away )

Lol, so mature of you.  That is the only reply you deserve, and will get, from me.

thismeintiel said: GProgrammer said: Um dude, this is Trump from last week after someone attacked a reporter and I quote Trump praises GOP congressman who assaulted reporter: 'Any guy that can do a body slam — he's my guy.' What do you say to this thismeintiel? ( thismeintiel bursts into tears and runs away )   Lol, so mature of you.  That is the only reply you deserve, and will get, from me.

It's the only reply you"ll give because a non answer is  the only reply you have. Trump continues to incite political violence and his base does nothing but sing his praises every time he does so. This doesn't just apply to 2016 it goes well into 2017 and 18 but of course, that doesn't help with the narrative, so those stories are dropped quickly.

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