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Jumpin said:
This is the problem with the US. You guys focus on a person’s race or gender more than their policies. Your priorities are the real joke.

I guess we can't all be like Germany, where a person's race has never been an issue.



thismeintiel said:
RolStoppable said:
Isn't it par for the course in American politics that both the democrats and republicans have pathetic nominees? What makes this specific one worth discussing?

Relevant anecdote from the past NFL weekend: I was watching Jaguars@Cowboys on Puls 4 (Austrian free-TV) and the live feed had a "Next up" for 60 Minutes that showed Donald Trump. One of the Austrian commentators instantly said, "Oh look, the Americans will follow up sports with comedy."

So you defend this with whataboutism?  I could have sworn the Left was done with whataboutism.  At least they seemed to have a problem when the Trump supporters used it.

The reason this is worth discussing is that not only are the Dems supposed to be the party of the minority, where this woman lied for decades about her heritage to advance in life, taking actual jobs from minorities, but it also shows the ridiculous double standards Dems have for themselves versus the rest of the world.  I mean, just in the past few months we had the Kavanaugh "guilty before proven innocent" from an accusation of 36 years ago, with absolutely no proof, while at the same time the 2nd in command of the DNC was being accused of assault from just 2 years ago, with the woman claiming to actually have proof.  Of course, they defend their guy, instead of adopting the standard they want for everyone else, just kick them out.  Now, we have the Left calling racism left and right, talking about how bad cultural appropriation is, but are now defending a woman who actually did culturally appropriate.  And not because she thought a Eastern dress looked cool, so she wore it, but to actually get positions as a "person of color."

That FBI investigation was a joke and he wasn't proven innocent but congratulations we now have two pervs on the supreme court.



deskpro2k3 said:

No matter how they try to downplay it, she has Native American pedigree "6-10 generations ago." Dr. Carlos Bustamante, a renowned geneticist. "The error rate is less than one-in-a-thousand", he said.

My father came from India & was Anglo-Indian: he looked Indian and had to deal with racial prejudice. It makes me quarter Indian (both his parents were Anglo-Indian) but I would never identify as coming from a minority because you would never know if I didn't tell you. When I hear that Elizabeth Warren claims to come from a minority due to her Native American ancestry I think, as everyone else with any common sense does, “what a load of BS”. The DNA test doesn't make a bit of difference: she's someone who has benefited all her life from white priviledge who claims a hint of an exotic bloodline if she thinks it will give her an additional advantage. Frankly she should be ashamed and this will not play at all to voters of colour, but it doesn't matter because Warren was never going to be the Democrats’ pick anyway. After the way Trump took apart Hillary they're not going to run an older woman against him.



Jumpin said:
This is the problem with the US. You guys focus on a person’s race or gender more than their policies. Your priorities are the real joke.

Blame the Dems on that one.  They have been running on identity politics for decades.  If anything, the Warren thing proves how full of crap they really are.  If you are a Dem you can claim you are whatever you want, take a job from whatever minority you wish, just as long as you tow the line.

deskpro2k3 said:

No matter how they try to downplay it, she has Native American pedigree "6-10 generations ago." Dr. Carlos Bustamante, a renowned geneticist. "The error rate is less than one-in-a-thousand", he said.

Uh, no, it has nothing to do with downplaying.  It has to do with Warren obviously lying about her heritage to get ahead in life.  She claimed her father's family rejected her mother because she was Cherokee.  Considering her mom would have been, at the absolute best case scenario for her, 1/32 Cherokee (she also claimed she was part Delaware), that story doesn't pan out. Especially if her own makeup is actually the 1/1024.  There's also the fact that the geneticist was using Mexican, Peruvian, and Colombian DNA samples, not American Cherokees.

Sorry for Warren, but less than 2% of NA blood a Cherokee does not make.  The Cherokee Nation agrees, as well.  The average American also reportedly has that amount.  I wouldn't be surprised if all Americans didn't have at least 1-2% of some minority group's DNA in them.  Should all American's claim to be minorities, now, to get a boost up in jobs where they are seeking a minority?  Actually think about that one, and not just defending your "side."

Puppyroach said:
Trump should just pay up, Warren obviously did this to shut him up and she succeed quite handily 😊. It might be juvenile but when you have a three year old as president, it is fun sometimes to poke that person

Lol, she didn't shut him up at all. I actually liked his take on it.

Though, I do think he should cut a check for $976.56 to the actual Cherokee Nation.



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She is obviously preparing a 2020 run and want all the cards on the table



Jumpin said:
This is the problem with the US. You guys focus on a person’s race or gender more than their policies. Your priorities are the real joke.

But this is a person who has gone through life claiming minority status and getting special treatment because of it. There's a reason people are focusing on her race.



Chris Hu said:
thismeintiel said:

So you defend this with whataboutism?  I could have sworn the Left was done with whataboutism.  At least they seemed to have a problem when the Trump supporters used it.

The reason this is worth discussing is that not only are the Dems supposed to be the party of the minority, where this woman lied for decades about her heritage to advance in life, taking actual jobs from minorities, but it also shows the ridiculous double standards Dems have for themselves versus the rest of the world.  I mean, just in the past few months we had the Kavanaugh "guilty before proven innocent" from an accusation of 36 years ago, with absolutely no proof, while at the same time the 2nd in command of the DNC was being accused of assault from just 2 years ago, with the woman claiming to actually have proof.  Of course, they defend their guy, instead of adopting the standard they want for everyone else, just kick them out.  Now, we have the Left calling racism left and right, talking about how bad cultural appropriation is, but are now defending a woman who actually did culturally appropriate.  And not because she thought a Eastern dress looked cool, so she wore it, but to actually get positions as a "person of color."

That FBI investigation was a joke and he wasn't proven innocent but congratulations we now have two pervs on the supreme court.

This isn't the thread for that, so I will stick to one reply. 

You guys are all about moving goalposts.  You couldn't nail Kavanaugh with his judicial record, so out comes the last minute allegation claims, just like with Clarence Thomas.  You demand there must be a hearing to get to the bottom of this.  Of course, if the info was given to the committee by Feinstein in the first place, it could have been investigated in private.  But a private investigation doesn't help rile up your base, so it must be public.  We have the hearing and get nothing.  No corroboration.  No evidence.  And I know you guys hate this, but in this country it is still innocent until proven guilty.  Even for your political enemies. 

But, you demand an FBI investigation.  Of course, since there are no criminal charges, it would only be a background check, just like he has gotten before.  The Dems in charge know this, but they can rile you guys up even more by claiming the investigation is rigged and didn't go deep enough.  Of course, at the same time Ford's story is getting picked apart, so the Dems fall back on other things that the background check picks up, but that all falls apart, just like the other bogus claims.  So, in a last ditch effort, the Dems and their blind followers fall back on his demeanor during the hearing.  Of course, that is a ridiculous standard when one is fighting for their life and that of their families, so he goes in.

It's time to get over it.  And stop accusing him of being something when YOU HAVE NO PROOF.  Especially since I'm sure you are giving Keith Ellison a pass.

Puppyroach said:

Please provide evidence that she got benefits from having native american ancestry. If she is 1/64th native american, it means it goes back 6 generations (technically 5 since we should count the original parents as the first generation), which isn´t so much. If it is 1/1024, it is 10 generations (or technically 9). She has also, as far as I know, never claimed any citizenship to any tribal community and the claims by the Cherokee Nation, please provide their evidence based claims. She also never touted her ancestry until her opponent made a case of it, so why are you so focused on her providing some evidence, not the people using racial slurs and dismissing her purely based on her appearence?

Why is it so upsetting for you that she has some evidence pointing to her possibly having native american ancestry?

Here.  And she has the same evidence of Native American ancestry as the average American does.  In other words, she's not special.  Nor is she a Cherokee, like she liked to claim.  And it is pathetic that she went through life claiming she was a minority.  Was even called Harvard's first woman of color.

melbye said:
She is obviously preparing a 2020 run and want all the cards on the table

I think Trump probably isn't even going to get to use this against her.  Biden will beat her handily.

Last edited by thismeintiel - on 16 October 2018

Trump asks her to take a DNA test to prove her ancestry. She does just that and it turns out she is right correct,
Trumpski denies everything, say he didnt say anything like it despite that it's even on video. So who is pathetic? the one who is lying on a daily basis or the one who did what Trump asked her about?

Rest of the world is laughing at the circus that is american politics and especially it's chief in command.



Mbolibombo said:
Trump asks her to take a DNA test to prove her ancestry. She does just that and it turns out she is right correct,
Trumpski denies everything, say he didnt say anything like it despite that it's even on video. So who is pathetic? the one who is lying on a daily basis or the one who did what Trump asked her about?

Rest of the world is laughing at the circus that is american politics and especially it's chief in command.

By her standard, everyone should be claiming they are Native American.  Or Asian.  Or Black.  Or whatever minority that you have less than 2% in your blood.  Also, he said he would ask her to do it on the debate stage if she won the nomination and, here's the kicker you guys like to ignore, it proved she was the actual NA.  Not had NA ancestry WAY back, which a lot of Americans do.  You know, like she claimed in her life when it benefited her.

So, yea, she still is the pathetic one.